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[New2vp]

There is nothing left to say on this subject that hasn't already been said.

Good points, Ted. How about every time he repeats what he has said sometime in the last week, we just keep recycling this quote of his?

[FloridaPhil]

I am sorry if you think I am repeating myself. As long as we have members who consistently act like beating the casinos is something just anyone can do, we will have need to correct them. Most video poker players pay to play. That is a fact. Strategy is not going to fix the cause of these losses. Training and skill is not going to make them go away. The vast majority of today's video poker games are losers. We should say so. Along with that fact we should say the more hands they play or the bigger they play, the more they will lose. As long as the game is still negative this will hold true. What they do after that is up to them.

I enjoy playing video poker. I know I will lose money long term. There are proven ways to reduce that cost. Reducing your coin in by playing single coin is just one of many way to do this. Not playing negative games is another. Recognize this and I won't have to say it over and over again.

[Tedlark]

Phil, can you please provide names of who these members are who consistently act like beating the casinos is something just anyone can do and can you also please provide forum posts where they wrote this?

We ALL recognize those proven ways that you have repeatedly wrote of regarding how to reduce cost when gambling in a casino. Trust me, we get it. Now, please stop repeating yourself.

It's almost like you are waiting for all of us to jump up and say how great you are, is that what you need to hear? Do you need some positive reinforcement from the forum on how great we think you ideas are? The more you write, the more I am convinced that you are just very jealous and envious of those "experts" you continually slam here.

[Vman96]

I am sorry if you think I am repeating myself. As long as we have members who consistently act like beating the casinos is something just anyone can do, we will have need to correct them. Most video poker players pay to play. That is a fact. Strategy is not going to fix the cause of these losses. Training and skill is not going to make them go away. The vast majority of today's video poker games are losers. We should say so. Along with that fact we should say the more hands they play or the bigger they play, the more they will lose. As long as the game is still negative this will hold true. What they do after that is up to them.

I enjoy playing video poker. I know I will lose money long term. There are proven ways to reduce that cost. Reducing your coin in by playing single coin is just one of many way to do this. Not playing negative games is another. Recognize this and I won't have to say it over and over again.

Who actually posts here consistently reminding you that you can beat casinos on this forum and that ANYONE can do it? The last part is definitely not true. And I can't remember the last time someone wrote that here. But you argue against it almost daily. Everyone recognizes your points on how to lose less money playing video poker.

Lower coin-in on games that are negative after all factors typically leads to lower losses. It's really that simple.

[New2vp]

Everyone recognizes your points on how to lose less money playing video poker.

The bolded words above are part of the problem.

Although Phil says this stuff all the time, they are NOT really his points. There is absolutely nothing original here. All this was written long before he started posting here. And it was written by many people, expert or not. Anyone who has followed this saga realizes that Phil read this stuff and didn't get it right (like he doesn't get many points here) and he lost money. And he blames others for it. Oh, yes, he says that he has learned from this, but clearly he has never learned enough. And he won't take responsibility for the fact that it was his own lack of analysis THEN or just plain stubbornness (like he expresses here daily) that was responsible, even for those early losses. And then, while posting here, again rather than take responsibility, he blamed Bob Dancer for saying mean things to him. He then projects that if someone as "smart" as he was could be duped (which he did to himself), that others need to hear it.

We really should not laud these points as "his," rather we should view them as Bill Ryan did long ago as some need that he has for "look at me" moments. And this need must be met, evidently daily. Maybe this is good for him. If he is posting here, he is spending less money congratulating himself for his brilliance in losing less money than he used to. Never mind that just about any strategy (or no strategy whatsoever) would lose less money for him.

Additionally he waters down whatever advice he has for others by continually misquoting or misconstruing what others say.

There is nothing noble about his "quest." Sugar-coating that by appealing to his ego has not worked. Of course, writing out the plain facts does nothing to stop it either. And he refuses to be embarrassed by his own contradictory words.

There was never a "cheap strategy" invented by Phil that wasn't talked about years before he got the message. Additionally single-coin play and denomination switching was employed by many before him and is used by many who have never seen this forum. Yes, over the years his message has shifted as he has adopted new phrases to attempt to quell the obvious mistakes he had been making. But nothing will make these now tired messages insightful.

I was impressed by his website (the one that he took down years ago). But it was the aesthetics and format of it that was worthy of respect, not the words or the contradictions contained in his analysis.

There is nothing in my message that says that I have a strategy to beat negative games. Nevertheless, now we will most likely go back to the point where he ignores any words from others and hits the repeat button by responding to whatever voices he hears rather than what is actually written by others. Clearly he has never fully understood when it is time to cut his losses and stop digging himself into a deeper hole. Not in a discussion of the facts anyway. Carry on!

[FloridaPhil]

I have been on this forum for over eight years. When I got here, all the forum ever talked about was Advantage Play and how much money everyone was winning. I thought this was strange as I could never find any of the positive games the experts were describing. I bought all the VP books I could find. I bought multiple copies of software and practiced for months at a time. Still no advantage appeared. I won some money on occasion. I learned how to play VP without cleaning out my bank account. When I talked about what I was doing on this forum, the expert who was selling Advantage Play told everyone I didn't know what I was talking about. It worked for me, so what was his problem?

The problem is we are using the same logic and strategy and applying it to vastly different VP playing environments. A retiree with a $100 a day playing budget is not going to get much for his money playing positive $5 games. With only four hands a day, it could take him 1,000 years to hit a royal flush. The game is positive, should we tell him it's profitable? I would tell him to stretch his playing dollars by playing cheap, accept the cost as an entry fee and play all day.

My best friend Jack is a former banker. He goes to the casino with me every week. He started in the software business back in the seventies when I did. He founded his own bank and sold it about 10 years ago. By all measures, he is a wealthy individual. He plays slots. He also plays video poker on occasion. He plays as small as the machine will allow. This could be 8 cents or a quarter a hand. We have a great time together. I have never seen him lose more than $150 in a day. He is happy with this result and so am I.

The Recreational forum is for players like Jack and me. It's for retirees and people who may have lots of money, but have better uses for it than shoving it into a bill slot. What advice do the experts have for them? Don't play.

[Eduardo]

I only know one person who claims to have made a fortune on VP. I believe his story. But he's just one person. Most of us have here made no such claim and even the pros here, from what I gather, have much more modest gains with VP being only a part of their advantage play. Nobody is claiming a get rich quick scheme. It's hard work.

People talk about Advantage Play because they are interested in learning the game and it helps understand the types of opportunities and promotions that we can look for. I love reading about these opportunities even if I often can't take advantage of them myself. Even for those who don't gain an advantage, these things are a lesson in reducing the house edge, earning comps, and being better at the game.

They don't talk as much about how to lose because losing is easy. They don't talk about losing small, because losing small is also easy. Many thousands of seniors do it every day, as evidenced by the busy low denom machines. It's not a state secret.

"Don't play" on negative machines is sound financial advice. Clearly many of us "do play" for the entertainment value. Don't listen to Bob Dancer for entertainment advice. His idea of entertainment is not the same as yours. Disregard his advantage play tips as much or as little as you'd like. It is sound advice, with the purpose of making money. Since that isn't your goal... feel free to simply ignore him in the future.

My advice to you, Phil is to do what you already promised to do multiple times: Share your experiences. Trip reports are fun to read no matter what people were playing. Had a nice vacation that VP was a part of? We would all enjoy reading that! But enough with the lectures and repetitive rants.

I know... you say this IS sharing your experiences. The difference between this and what I am talking about is trip reports are always new and different and fun to read. Your lectures are repetitive and uninformative. There is a world of difference. I would love to hear how your next VP vacation goes. But we are all tired of the rest.

[FloridaPhil]

Excellent post full of good thoughts.

[FloridaPhil]

Don't listen to Bob Dancer for entertainment advice. His idea of entertainment is not the same as yours.

I acknowledge that there are a few people who can beat the casinos. If that is your goal, I acknowledge that the experts are right. I also acknowledge that few players have, can or will do what it takes.

What I want to talk about on this forum is playing video poker for entertainment and how to get the most entertainment for my money. My entertainment is not always tied to how much profit I make. So be it.

[Tedlark]

Phil I found something interesting that you wrote in your latest 1/2 pager and I would like to address it with you. In a prior post you wrote that nobody reports losing trip reports here but yet in your long post above you stated that you and your best friend Jack go to the casino every week.

Why is it then: that you don't report on your weekly casino trips with your best friend Jack?