Bestest strategy ever from a secret pro.

[Tedlark]

Ted, I don't care how you or anyone else spends their money. If someone wants to throw away $50-100K or more a year in a casino, it's none of my business. However, this forum is suppose to be a place where players can learn from the experiences of others.When we post on this forum, people who are new to the game read what we say. One of us is a proven expert. The rest of us are a bunch of old guys who like to banter about VP.

Lots of players think bet increment strategies can beat the casino. Even more believe walking out a winner is how you secure a win. If you are among those players and you have faith in what you do, I don't want to change that. You pay your money and you play the way you want.

The longer I play this game the more I realize the expert has been right all along. I want new players to know there is a cost to play today's VP games. If 2-3 people out of a million prove me wrong, I'm OK with that. If the expert would talk more about the games most people have to play, I wouldn't have to.

Before I came to this forum all that was ever talked about was advantage play. For most players, those games are gone forever. This leaves the majority of today's players guessing. Guessing costs people money. I can't make anyone a winner if they play negative video poker games. I can tell people how to reduce their cost to play them. If you already know, why don't you help someone by starting a thread of your own?

When I go to the casino I see lots of seniors. I smile because most seem to be having a good time. I also see them playing VP with no strategy, no clue and a limited bankroll. This bothers me because you don't have to be an AP to get the most out of this game. Where can someone like that go to get help when the expert tells them to play $5 games because the odds are positive?

All I have ever done on this forum is encourage people to consider VP as entertainment and gamble small. I want to help small time players like me play more hands of VP for less. If you want me to stop, you will have to get someone else to pick up the banner.

Phil, you do realize that you totally contradict yourself in this post of yours, right?

As for me starting a thread, as I've stated many tines before: I leave that to the experts and I am not one of them. The only threads I start can usually be found in the video poker stories forum and the anything and everything forum.

I don't want you to stop posting but I would like it if you stop posting the same stuff over and over and over again.

[onemoretry]

The only VP I wish to discuss are the games I have access to.

That seems a bit selfish to me. The vp world does not end at the Florida border. Other folks using this site might wish to discuss issues relating to things outside of Florida.

[FloridaPhil]

Negative VP games are not limited to Florida. The truth is positive VP games are very rare. What good is it to talk about beating games that do not exist outside of Vegas or the high limit room? Perhaps what we need is an Advantage Play forum. We already have one.

Much of this forum is worthless to everyday quarter video poker players. They are told to only play games they can't find. They are told to move up in denomination to gain better odds. They are told about comps that are non existent like free cruises, drawings that you can actually win, cash back, 10X point days and big progressives. These things do not exist where we and my friends play VP. I see someone started a thread asking what you want to talk about on this forum. This question has come up before. We always get great answers then no one posts. It never changes.

[FAA]

It's slightly less negative in the Garden State. But certainly no Garden of Eden.

[case]

It does not matter what you play, positive or negative. Its how you play the game that counts.

[FAA]

Play TDB for a year and get back to me.

[stevel96a1]

i dunno i worked up 120k$ cash playing on my phone 25$ a turn i won 3 royals and rest 4oaks with kickers, i doubit it will happen again it was battle of the bankrolls lost a couple 4k rolls and came back stronger than ever the app must have been broken or something but then again im still within 5 std righht Gronbog?

[Tedlark]

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, with stars to fill my dream; I am a travler of both time and space, to be where I have been.

[pokerpokerpoker]

No, no, no. Here's how you do it:

First, you need to identify a local casino with decent paytables and a good slot club. A locals low-roller type joint is best. Forget about a fancy-pants Caesar's Palace, Pallazzo, Aria type place - they employ shrewd bean counter type bosses who sweat every detail.

Then, you need to identify which VP machines in the place offer the best combination of paytables AND slot club perks. Often, these are machines with games in the 98.5% to 99% range. The best paytables of the house often give greatly cut slot club benefits. How to find the "best" games? Look around. Is there a good game on a generally bad machine? Do some VP games pay out at the slot rate instead of the VP rate? Maybe ask a host which games have the best theo. Maybe network with other players. This part takes a little effort.

Then, get down to playing. I like to have two, (possibly) three 400 credit bankrolls. I greatly prefer bonus poker deluxe. Every quad pays out 400 credits. Start with $400 (or $100 if you prefer quarters). Should you hit any quad with the $400 you must leave. You are ahead, go home.

Should you bust the first $400, reload another $400 and bump it up to $2 (or .50 if you started with quarters) BDLX. Should you hit ANY quad, leave. You recouped your losses and made a profit. Go home. You did good. On rare occasions you might even hit a royal flush for $4000 or even $8000.

Now, if you are stuck $800 (or $200 for quarters/halves), the optional 3rd buy-in comes into play. With this last buy-in you are truly swinging for the fences with high variance games: 9/7 TDB for $1, 10 play TDB, 10 play Extra-draw frenzy, Dream Card, ect. Essentially you are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

No matter what: always play max coins, always use proper VP strategies ( I like Video Poker for Winners), learn penalty card situations (but only after mastering the basics).

For best results play on days with something extra going on. This could be double points day, hot-seat promotions, a juicy raffle, maybe free ribeye steaks ect. They probably won't call your name, but then again they might.

After a few visits, the casino will likely start sending you free-play offers. Free play is great - it cuts down on your expected losses. Pro Tip: occasionally use your free play on slots. Casinos LOVE slot players. You might also get offers for free buffets and gifts. Maybe even a steak-house comp on your birthday.

Hopefully, after a month or two, you will have enough points for the VIP card. This might get you perks like double points every day, better gifts, more free play ect. Or my favorite: VIP lounge access. Now you can eat for free several days a week. Do leave a modest tip though. Pro Tip - grab an extra apple or bottle of water on your way out. They won't care, and hey +EV is +EV.

All in all, you are hoping to beat the casino instead of beating the VP machine.

Above all, have fun and don't play with money you can't afford to lose.

[onemoretry]

Should you hit any quad with the $400 you must leave. You are ahead, go home.

Your post had a lot of good stuff in it. But, I don't really understand this one. You drive for an hour or so to the casino (or, perhaps more), sit down, hit a quad in the first five minutes, or so, and then turn around and go home?