Bestest strategy ever from a secret pro.

[Tedlark]

I've done that a few times OMT. I don't make it a habit but I've done it. Once I reported on making a drive to St. Louis on a Saturday, turning freeplay into almost $600.00, having a quick free buffet dinner and immediately heading back to Chicago. Was back by 10:00 pm.

[olds442jetaway]

That has always been my biggest problem It wouldn't be if I didn't like to play. I only have an hour's drive to Mohegan Sun. I am ahead at some point almost every trip, yet end up having Marathon sessions almost every time. If one isn't careful you can give back an entire Royal in f few hours. Don't ask me how I know that. Hmmmmmm.

[FAA]

I always ponder whether to continue after one quad or see the town. BPD sounds pretty cool. BP is aggravating when I get the vanilla 5-K quad. Glad I curtailed JOB.

[olds442jetaway]

True FAA, but a quad is a quad. I even appreciate them in Joker Kings at seventeen for one.

[pokerpokerpoker]

Should you hit any quad with the $400 you must leave. You are ahead, go home.

Your post had a lot of good stuff in it. But, I don't really understand this one. You drive for an hour or so to the casino (or, perhaps more), sit down, hit a quad in the first five minutes, or so, and then turn around and go home?

Well, for me the drive is 2-3 minutes - my work is right down the road. And yes, (well usually) if I hit that quad early and am up say $300, I leave. It feels good to leave the casino a winner. If I choose to, I can go again the next day (or whenever the next FP is available).

[FAA]

An early bonus quad would turn me into a tourist. Did someone say lighthouse?

[BobDancer]

Why do I have the feeling that all this was written in jest?

I'm not sure "jest" is the right word. I think Bill was intentionally trolling the recreational forum participants. He knows how to get this group started and so he fed them some red meat. Somehow he hasn't able to draw FP in yet, but this is a thread right up FP's alley --- or at least his former alley.

[FloridaPhil]

Somehow he hasn't able to draw FP in yet, but this is a thread right up FP's alley --- or at least his former alley.

Bill likes stirring up trouble, so do I. The problem he has now is I agree with him.

Mr. Dancer, I am glad you responded to this thread. I want you to hear what I have to say. When it comes to VP strategy, you were right all along.

I don't like it when you tell people you beat the casino by betting big. I think you are promoting potentially destructive behavior. If you don't care, that's your cross to bear. I have never been in one of your classes. If I had, it would have saved me a lot of time and trouble.

My hope is you tell your students beating the casino is an extreme long shot. I hope you tell them there is a chance they could fail even if they do everything right. I also hope you tell them gambling above their means is dangerous. Ignoring these issues does not help someone who may have problems that you had a hand in.

My hope is you will understand why I feel this way. Perhaps you have never met someone who ruined their life through gambling. I have. Let's let this be the end of our conflict.

[Tedlark]

We all have hopes Phil.......

Phil, when you were "consulting" did you ever miss the mark with one of your clients? Were you not quite correct in the "consultation" you gave a client and this error in judgement on your part cost your client some money?

Just asking.

[FloridaPhil]

Phil, when you were "consulting" did you ever miss the mark with one of your clients? Were you not quite correct in the "consultation" you gave a client and this error in judgement on your part cost your client some money?

That did happen on occasion. I always gave my clients my best effort. Despite that, my advice didn't always work to their advantage. My clients were all experienced business people. They knew the risks and were prepared for the outcome.

When you are advising the public at large, not everyone is that prepared. I have no doubt Mr. Dancer has crafted a very nice personal lifestyle from VP. He obviously has worked hard at what he does and I am happy for him. My concern is what happens to those players who don't have his skills, opportunities and resources. Making statements like "I can do what I do because I have superior intelligence and you don't" doesn't deter people from trying. It practically dares people to take risks they may not be prepared to take. Players commonly hear what they want to hear and ignore what they don't. I have been guilty of that myself.

Then there is the implied math "guarantee". Just because a computer simulation produces a certain result doesn't mean it can be duplicated by a human player. Players make mistakes, they make bad decisions, they don't play forever and they run out of money. My problem is not with the math, my problem is with the correlation between the math and what happens in a real casino.

My biggest issue is the lack of opportunity. I have never seen a positive VP game in Florida. I'm not sure I would recognize one if I did. This does not deter me from using Mr. Dancer's strategy. Through experience I have learned that playing as he advises is the cheapest way to play the games I do have. I also learned that the bigger I play these games the more it will cost me. That is not a flaw in his strategy. The math says that will happen and it does.

I hope he reads what I have written here. I am not against him. I think his advice and teachings could be of great help to a lot of VP players, even those that don't have an advantage.