If you expect me to support the idea that Advantage Play strategy guarantees profits, you might as well ban me now.
Where has such a claim made? Please be specific because this is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't believe anyone here has guaranteed profits, but you state repeatedly that someone has.
When you state that a certain VP game is worth "X" amount an hour, it's sounds like a veiled guarantee to me. Dancer's books are full of those references. Perhaps he has changed his stance over the years and I wasn't aware of it? A recent Dancer statement on this forum went something like this. "If you only play positive VP games, good things will happen." It should have been "If you only play positive VP games, good things are more likely to happen."
I know this sounds like splitting hairs, it's not. There are players who believe they can beat the casino because someone else does it or because math says it's possible. This belief is dangerous. Making a long term profit from VP takes access to the right games and comps, skill, discipline, dedication, and enough money to last through downturns. Even then there is NO guarantee of a long term profit.
If we can all agree on that, there is no need to comment further.
Phil, you stated above that: "a recent Dancer statement on this forum went something like this."
When it comes to statements written in a forum, they are what they are, and saying that they "go something like this" is not saying what was truly said. Pull up and post what Bob Dancer wrote instead of making it up.
You have spoken of Dancer's "veiled guarantee" before when I pushed you to produce the guarantee made by Dancer in any written or published format and you mentioned it again here today.
As long as I am on this forum I will continue to express my own opinions. If all we are to do is parrot passages from Bob Dancer books, what is the use of having a forum?
Bob Dancer is not your average video poker player. His skill level, games, access, information, comps, guts, tolerance and bankroll are nothing like the majority of players who visit this forum. We need to warn these folks that the chances they can beat the casino is slim to none. Telling them they aren't intelligent enough to win does nothing but dare them to try even harder.
What we need is a VP expert without an agenda. One who will talk to the average player plainly and without bravado. Almost all of today's video poker games are negative. At the casinos where I play, hundreds of thousands of players play VP each year. None of them can play positive games.
These players are eager to know how to play negative games at a reasonable cost. Telling them not to play them does nothing to help anyone. The opportunity for VP profits is almost gone and it's not coming back any time soon.
Where I play no one ever asks me how to play negative games so they can lose less. Most people I run into know they will lose playing negative games. They play because they enjoy the game and also they lose less than slots. Most people understand the odds way more than you think.
Negative players court trouble. The savvier ones know it and shrug. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. VP players in general have more sense than the average casino patron. The games are just too much fun to ignore.
Where I play no one ever asks me how to play negative games so they can lose less. Most people I run into know they will lose playing negative games. They play because they enjoy the game and also they lose less than slots. Most people understand the odds way more than you think.
I'm not sure about "most people". Most people I know don't care about the odds. All they want out of a day's trip to the casino is a good time and they don't don't expect to win long term.
The real problem with this Forum is we have experts and players who are playing in two separate worlds. The world of VP we see is nothing like the VP world Bob Dancer talks about. It's like he is still using MSDOS and Windows 95 and the rest of us are playing VP on our phones. In our world 98.9% Deuces Wild is the best it gets, only fools play dollar VP and comps are tuna fish sandwiches. I have no idea where Bob Dancer finds enough positive opportunities to pay his bills. They must be in his mind because we don't see them.
One day soon there won't be any positive VP games left. That day came to our casinos years ago. Our VP machines are being removed. Our 98.9% games are now 96.7%. The few decent games that are left are so badly maintained they are almost unplayable. What good is talking about games no one can play?
The person who started this thread came here looking for answers. He obviously needs some advice. I told him to take some time off from VP. Bill Ryan insulted him. This happens every time someone from the VP world Bob Dancer chooses to ignore asks a question. Until we fix that, this forum will continue to be stuck in the year 2000.
In addition to the above issues, today's VP players are faced with ever increasing obstacles and Hi-jinx created by the casinos themselves. The most common being the placement of the better VP games into uncomfortable areas. The lack of VP machine maintenance compared to slots is glaring. On a recent trip to Atlantic City last year, the cigarette ashes on the keyboards were so thick in places we had to clean them off to see which buttons we were hitting. On some of the machines the hold buttons malfunctioned at least 10% of the time and the deal buttons didn't work or were falling off. No such problems existed on the slots.
We believe casinos are purposely targeting video poker machines to increase the house edge. They know good players aren't paying their share and they are doing these things to counter that fact. Our local casino in Tampa recently built a beautiful non smoking casino separate from the main casino. What was the first thing they did? Move half the working video poker machines to the smoking side. When we complained, they sent us a nice email telling us they bought some new machines. Of course the odds on the new machines were worse than before.
So where are we now? We have experts who only talk about playing VP games we never see. Their machines never break down causing errors, or at least they don't seemed concerned about it. They live great lifestyles just sitting around pushing buttons. We beat ourselves to death playing crappy poorly maintained games so we can stay overnight and give them more of our money. Is it any wonder more and more players are playing for free on this website?
If this post was real (which I doubt), it wasn't funny. It happens when you tell people how to beat a casino. As stupid as that sounds, some people actually believe it.
Phil, as evidenced by the above you QUICKLY took opportunity to take a ahem, "veiled" slam toward Bob Dancer.
Have you EVER wondered how much damage YOU'VE done to people when you were pushing your Cheap Strategy (CS) here?
You never answered my question relating to the woman who lost 200k and how YOU helped her?
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