What is the long term damage per session?

[olds442jetaway]

If one plays quarter airplane deuces, puts about 5k coin in per session, never goes for a regular inside straight, and when dealt a single deuce and two cards to a regular straight flush just holds the deuce. Answer in percentage or dollar loss is ok. Thanks in advance for the math work.

[FloridaPhil]

I asked a similar question a number of years ago. Whenever you "adjust" your strategy away from computer prefect strategy, you are costing yourself money. How much money? VPW software can give you these calculations for any VP hand possible. For example, when my wife plays Deuces Wild she holds all ace high two card non deuce royal flush draws (A-10,A-K,A-Q,A-J). With 4 deuces in the deck, she gets a lot more wild royals than I do.

At the max coin quarter level, the software says this adjustment costs her 3-4 cents each time she holds those cards. If this happens 200 times in 5,000 hands, the cost is about $10 a day. Whenever I point this out to her, she reminds me of the three $1,000 royals her adjustment has won her. In time, the math says this "adjustment" will cost her more than she makes. How long will it take? No body knows.

The most financially beneficial way to play video poker is to play according to the computer. Like my wife, you may not be playing VP for that specific reason. I play next to players who throw away wild royals going for a royal. I have also played next to people who only hold deuces. I wouldn't do either, but it's not my money they are playing with. Video poker as we play it is entertainment. You play with your own money and you select your own "damage".

Some "amateur experts" on this website will most likely say something negative about this post. They are entitled to their opinions. When I comes right down to it, you are the only one that needs to be happy with how you play VP.

[olds442jetaway]

As a rec player, I can live with a little damage now and then. If not going for hands that take away from my fun only costs me a couple of bucks per session, I can certainly live with that. My wolf vp program will tell me the cost per hand, but I don’t know how many bad decisions as an average there would be per session. That’s what I need the math gang for or the formula so I can calcilate it. My old stat biok is around at dad’s house sonewhere, but I don’t have the ambition to look for it or re learn it. I really should though. I aced that class at UCONN. That was 1967 though.....hmmmmmm

[Vman96]

Your wolf VP program still works? There's an option to calculate returns using a sub optimal strategy chart that you can alter. I was using Frugal VP for awhile to do that, but it doesn't work anymore.

[FloridaPhil]

My experience with alternative VP strategies is that they all work until they don't. I have tried some of the craziest things anyone could imagine and they all had their day. No one is going to beat the casino very long playing the games I have to play. If I could squeeze a little more excitement out of the game, it was worth the "damage".

I've had hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in boats, trucks to tow them, travel, tackle and all manner of "stuff" invested in fishing. Can I sell the fish I catch for a profit? Not even close. Part of the fun of Recreational video poker is trying different things. It's fishing for jackpots.

[FAA]

The TA strategy definitely sounds exciting on DW, and it's damn sure cheap enough. If that was my game, I'd do it too! BP has fulfilled my excitement needs for now.

[FloridaPhil]

The TA strategy definitely sounds exciting on DW, and it's damn sure cheap enough. If that was my game, I'd do it too! BP has fulfilled my excitement needs for now.

Over the last couple of years, I have been switching between DW and BP. I find them both enjoyable. DW can be frustrating if you don't hit quad deuces. BP is maddening when quads go on hiatus. In either case a royal cures all ills.

If there is such a thing as a winning VP strategy, it has to be transitory the way things are going these days. I don't concern myself with these thoughts. I enjoy my days at the casino regardless. I do think it's a good idea to take a vacation from VP. If nothing else, it clears the mind and let's you reevaluate what you are doing. VP will consume you to a point where you can think of nothing else. I'm on vacation right now and it feels great.

[olds442jetaway]

I know I can customize the paytables on wolf vp which i have done. I guess the easiest way to check the cost would be to program wolf to allow me to fix errors. That way i can fix other mistakes i make by accident and not fix the 2 scenarios in my post title and first post on this thread. I also think wolf will keep a running total of my mistakes and it lets me save the game for another time.

[FloridaPhil]

Here's a question. Suppose you intentionally make a "mistake" that the software says costs you money. You hit a royal flush with that "mistake". Was that mistake a mistake or a calculated risk that paid off?

When experts play video poker the outcome is still unknown, but they are still experts. When an average player plays video poker and gets lucky, it's still a mistake. No one ever questions this because they are experts. I believe there is a lot more luck in winning video poker than skill.

Playing VP by the math will allow you to play more hands with your money. It never guarantees long term winning results. I play according to the computer because I haven't found anything that works better. If I was able to play positive VP games perfectly, I would still be gambling.

[FAA]

I hope that I finally learned when to fold them. DO NOT get trapped in a dud streak from hell. DO NOT get emotional. Be willing to walk away from an abusive relationship.