going for the 3 card hold?

[tech58]

Steve, how was holding AJ suited an incorrect play?

[FloridaPhil]

my 2nd royal flush in atlantic city was incorrect hold, an ace and a jack same suit, and the experts say dont hold them, well i got a royal holding them within 30min of playtime aces and faces , just makes me think how random are random events

One thing is 100% certain. If you keep a paying two or three of a kind and throw away three to a royal, you will never hit a royal on that hand. Beginners often hit royals playing hands that an expert would not play. Some players want to see more royals and are willing to pay extra to see them. When I first started playing VP, I hit four royals in one day. I didn't have a clue what I was doing. I can't even remember what the odds were back then. The odds of that happening were astronomical. Still, it happened.

There is no math that can predict what will happen on any one hand in the future. The more hands you play, the closer your results will be to what the math predicts. How many hands is that? More than a few. Some people on this forum have said it's a royal cycle or two. I believe it's much much longer. I believe the experts are right when they say playing positive games perfectly yields positive results. Where we disagree slightly is the assumption that humans are capable of computer perfectly play and in the definition of "long term".

Video poker math is not perfect, but it's the best we have. There is always a range of possible results. When you gamble, you are betting you will fall on the right side of the math curve. Professionals know this won't always happen, but they are confident in their ability and are willing to take that risk.

At this point, you may conclude this whole discussion is full of crap. You may go back to the casino and throw away a paying pair to hold three to a royal. If you hit that royal, the odds that it happened are 100%. Welcome to the world of "randomness".

[FloridaPhil]

Steve, how was holding AJ suited an incorrect play?

I thought we were discussing throwing away a paying pair to hold three to a royal? Is he talking about Deuces Wild? Different story.

If that's the case, the cost of holding AJ without a deuce while playing 5 quarters is 1-4 cents a hand.

[tech58]

Steve,why was AJ suited a wrong hold? some games i am not familiar with may call for this.

[Vman96]

my 2nd royal flush in atlantic city was incorrect hold, an ace and a jack same suit, and the experts say dont hold them, well i got a royal holding them within 30min of playtime aces and faces , just makes me think how random are random events

AJ suited is the correct hold, unless you throw away a pair or something. If you did that, you should stop right now.

As for your original question. Doing it for high pair and two pair isn't too bad, especially if the flush is 6 for 1. But three of a kind??? No way. Three of a kind is worth nearly quadruple the royal draw.

[Tedlark]

Steve, how was holding AJ suited an incorrect play?

I thought we were discussing throwing away a paying pair to hold three to a royal? Is he talking about Deuces Wild? Different story.

If that's the case, the cost of holding AJ without a deuce while playing 5 quarters is 1-4 cents a hand.

Deuces Wild was only mentioned twice in this thread by Phil. I did not see Deuces Wild (or any variant) mentioned by anyone else in this thread. This would lead me to believe that Deuces Wild was not being talked about.

[Vman96]

Steve, how was holding AJ suited an incorrect play?

I thought we were discussing throwing away a paying pair to hold three to a royal? Is he talking about Deuces Wild? Different story.

If that's the case, the cost of holding AJ without a deuce while playing 5 quarters is 1-4 cents a hand.

Deuces Wild was only mentioned twice in this thread by Phil. I did not see Deuces Wild (or any variant) mentioned by anyone else in this thread. This would lead me to believe that Deuces Wild was not being talked about.

Steve wrote that he hit a Royal with AJ suited on Aces and Faces. That very well could be the optimal hold depending on what he was dealt.

[stevel96a1]

i meant ace ten not ace jack

[stevel96a1]

i was just thinking when you see 3 to the royal on screen it may not be the best hold and i remember my 2nd royal flush in atlantic city was ace ten and i think thats not right move in jacks or better or bonus poker

[tech58]

thanks steve A10 at least make your post correct in that it was not the correct hold.