97.06DW vs 97.02TDB?

[stevel96a1]

i realized last night i was getting stiffed on multiple hands on the pay schedule with DW
with TDB im only 10 credits short payed on the flush from being a 99% game

so with that i tried TDB lost 100$ and quicky retreated to DW managed to win back 45$ while my wife hit the 4 aces w/ kicker https://imgur.com/a/QHTkk1c

simulations show one thing and real life shows another

i also tried Phil pot shot with 20$ deuces on my wife free play and cashed out 20$
later that night i realized they installed new games the ones next to pick em poker and automatic fever that game selection had DW 125/75 much better than 100/60 so i decided to ditch the high limit room and went 4 hands of 5$ each and yanked 5$ from that game

taking down 250$ as a br and trying 20$ pot shot is working for me thanks Phil very few things i read on the internet i agree with and makes sense and this is one of them

[FloridaPhil]

Pot shots have always been a big part of my VP profit. They were largely responsible for my CS profit over the two years I tested it. Last year I tested flat betting max coins with no pot shots. I played mostly 6/5, 7/5 & 8/5 Bonus Poker. I hit more royals than I was entitled to and ended the year with a profit. This year, I went back to limited pot shots. I haven't drawn any significant conclusions from either test. A year or two of play is not nearly enough time to learn anything meaningful. All the VP games I play are negative. I do not expect to make money playing VP. If I do, it's a bonus.

Taking pot shots is fun. What happens is mostly luck. Pot shots are tricky. To much and you are playing above your bankroll which will bust before anything good can happen. I normally limit my pot shots to $20 a session. My low cash out limit is $50. If you get into a run up while taking a pot shot, you can walk away with $100-$200. If a jackpot happens, you made a nice profit. If it's big enough, it will fund many months of VP play.

If you are going to do this, setting strict limits and sticking to them is key. It easy for pot shots to take you to the dark side where you continually feed your profits back into the machines. Greed is your biggest enemy. Learn to walk away with your profit and don't dream about getting rich. If you do, be happy with your winnings and don't try to parlay them into getting richer.

[FAA]

Great. You need a $250 BR with your pay tables. $200 plus $50 FP is giving me a lot of leeway to lose early on and recoup. But CS and pot shots is a much wiser way to go. I hope to find the discipline.

[FloridaPhil]

It takes a lot of discipline to play VP cheap and walk away with a small profit. Everything we have been taught tells us to rely on royals for our profit. Unless you have the right combination of odds and comps, all this does is pay other people's bills. You can't lose money for months at a time and expect to win it all back in one hand. It doesn't work that way for me.

What works best for me is to strive to break even on every trip I make to the casino. I don't rely on one or two rare hands to do this. I pick a game with low variance that I enjoy and play it at a comfortable level. That game for me is either single coin dollar 98.9% Deuces Wild or max coin quarter 98.9% Deuces Wild. I play that game 98% of the time. If I hit a quad deuce, I pocket the money. If I hit a royal, I do as well.

I take a $20 pot shot about once an hour. I cash out at $50 or more. I take my minimum $30 profit and I wait until next hour. During a normal day I hit one or more good run ups or a jackpot. My current daily bankroll is $300 plus my free play. This amount lets me play all day and have money for one hourly pot shot. A few times a year I lose all my money early and have to drive home broke. It's part of the game. I don't try to second guess myself or try anything crazy. Video poker is a long marathon run, not a sprint. Greed is your biggest enemy.

Playing VP this way lets me enjoy the game as cheap entertainment. I play a lot of hands and I hit a lot of jackpots. My jackpots are normally small, but they keep me in the game. I have good days and bad days. At the end of the year, my cost to play is minimal.

[Waiting4RF]

The $2-3 thousand dollars a year I lose playing quarter VP is a pittance compared to how much I could lose trying to beat the casino.

Others need to know how much of a loss you consider to be minimal. It may not be minimal for them.

[FloridaPhil]

Others need to know how much of a loss you consider to be minimal. It may not be minimal for them.

Fair question. I play video poker one full day a week. I play about 3,500-5,000 hands a day. We also take 4-5 vacation trips each year. We plan our mini vacations around casinos that give us comped rooms. I would guess we play about 250,000-300,000 hands of VP a year.

The games we play range from 96.75% to 99.166%. We play mostly max coin quarter or single coin dollar VP. Our average cost to play these games varies. Rarely do we make an annual profit and then it's not much. Our biggest annual loss ever was about $5,000. Our average annual loss is about $2,500 a year. This is without counting comps or free play. My free play is about $25 a week. On bonus days it can be as much as $80. We stay about 6-10 nights a year free at different casino resorts. We eat in the coffee shops for free. My wife drinks free wine. Our favorites are the Beau Rivage in Biloxi and the Ameristar in Black Hawk Colorado. We pay for our own plane fare. We stay free at the Hollywood Hard Rock whenever we choose to drive down.

To us, video poker is a couples friendly activity that we both enjoy. We are both retired from working on a daily basis. We both have separate incomes. We both keep separate VP bankrolls. Our friends spend their money traveling around the world, eating in expensive restaurants or staying in all inclusive resorts. We have our fun by playing VP. We believe VP is a bargain the way we play it.

VP is not a money maker for us. It's cheaper than playing golf, buying a boat, pumping an RV full of fuel or anything else retirees commonly do. Playing VP the way we do is cheap entertainment and nothing more.

[FAA]

Cheap entertainment today as well. Three casinos, three hours, three quads, slightly ahead of my schedule. 0 lost bankroll. Must get to Borgata real early for optimal machine selection. I had problems on two of the three played.

[stevel96a1]

i do not mind trying 20$ each casino trip pot shot for 4 hands for doubling my 20$ or higher
infact im probably more like to double it or hit it big than any amount lottery tickets i bought in past ten years. for me to put into analogy in words hitting the lotto would be equal to me reaching the other side of the galaxy in this lifetime but hitting 4 deuces or royal with a 20$ can and has happened in history.

i guess if i can't make it work that night with 250$ no amount of cash will atleast with a 97% return
five joker poker on the other hand 99.59 was a different animal all the jackpots were in the "a.m" time zone and surpass the 250$ buy in limit


someone said on youtube video on bacarat how the shoe is always mutating and constantly changing and no system can ever overcome or foresee the outcome with any degree of accracucy maybe its safe to say same with VP

[FloridaPhil]

infact im probably more like to double it or hit it big than any amount lottery tickets i bought in past ten years. for me to put into analogy in words hitting the lotto would be equal to me reaching the other side of the galaxy in this lifetime but hitting 4 deuces or royal with a 20$ can and has happened in history.

The odds of a royal flush happening in Deuces Wild is something like one in 45,000. The odds of hitting a quad deuce is about one in 5,000, nine times more frequent. I have hit both of these hands many times taking a pot shot. The result of pumping max coins into a 97% video poker game is predictable. No one can predict what will happen when you put one $20 bill into a video poker machine and walk away with your winnings.

Video poker is gambling. Anything that is possible can happen. The streaky nature of Deuces Wild is an advantage when taking pot shots. Not because it makes quads deuces or royals more likely. It's because you can frequently catch a $100 or $200 run up. This only works if you are disciplined enough to cash out.

Where Recreational players get in trouble is they "pot shot" all the time. This is consistently playing above your bankroll. I play small 99% of the time. I sit back, have fun and enjoy the game as entertainment. I take an hourly $20 pot shot and keep the money. Timing is everything.

Disclaimer: This post is not intended to teach anyone how to beat the casino. It's purpose is to enhance the entertainment value of playing video poker. If your goal in playing video poker is to beat the casino, visit http://www.BobDancer.com

[onemoretry]

Timing is everything.

I think that is a poor choice of words. Using the word timing suggests, at least to me, that you have some degree of control over the outcome by your decision as to when to make the move.

Luck is everything would be a better way to say it.