A big thanks to Phil

[Tedlark]

All of that advice and a quarter will eventually leave you broke. Dont quit whatever the day job is.

No one that I know of is playing video poker as a substitute for an actual job. Video poker is entertainment. A few people are attempting to turn it into something else. They do this to sell products and fill casinos with hopeful losers. That's their job.

I could care less if someone wants to spend their life sitting in a casino waiting for a royal flush. As long as they don't promote it for others, it's none of my business. Playing video poker purely for the enjoyment of the game is totally different than playing it for profit. That is the only point I am trying to make.

"They do this to sell products and fill casinos with hopeful losers. That's their job." -

Phil, do you ever stop to think how many people may read your "advice" and then go to the casino and lose, based on what you said? Aren't you too; filling the casinos with hopeful losers?

"I could care less if someone wants to spend their life sitting in a casino waiting for a royal flush. As long as they don't promote it for others, it's none of my business." -

Phil, how many times have you ripped into "the expert" or "the experts" for following that path? Instead of speaking out against this HONEST WORK why don't you speak out against crooked real estate agents, and those others who earn money through illicit gain? You say that it is none of your business but yet you continually speak out against those who choose to earn their living in casinos or by marketing gaming based material?

I know, you will now come back and say that I am fighting for "The Expert." My standard response is that "The Expert" does not need me to stick up for him and again, just get off the guy's back.

[FloridaPhil]

Ted, one of my biggest worries as a member of this forum is that I will encourage someone to gamble. I would prefer that they didn't. If they are going to anyway, I want them to know it's a financial loser. I talk about playing video poker small to limit losses. Others talk about playing bigger to maximize profits. Which one is potentially more harmful? Hardly anyone is going to go bankrupt playing quarter VP computer perfect. If you play the wrong $5 game the same way, you may.

I am not against teaching perfect play, money management, discipline or video poker math. I am against someone telling the public they live a great lifestyle off the casino or stating they take huge risks in order to find a positive opportunity. Even if this works out, I doesn't justify the damage it could cause.

[Jstark]

I've found plenty of positive games in Tampa.

[FloridaPhil]

I've found plenty of positive games in Tampa.

So what are they? I'm going to lunch. You have all afternoon to tell us about them. My bet is you can't, but I could be wrong.

[onemoretry]

My prediction - Jstark will identify some, and Phil will respond something like: Oh, I wouldn't play that!

[stevel96a1]

On the other hand, you basically troll the strategy forum and experts non-stop with posts like this one. Please tell me how many of the 20 most recent topics in the strategy forum actually fit with what you just described.

If you would just post your own experiences without all the non-stop commentary about “experts” and advantage players, the forum would be a happier place. It is generally your commentary on these matters that draws a negative response, not your choice to play negative games.

i actually like his posts, not every post he makes is a golden nugget of knowledge but 3 out of 20 is

[stevel96a1]

All of that advice and a quarter will eventually leave you broke. Dont quit whatever the day job is.

No one that I know of is playing video poker as a substitute for an actual job. Video poker is entertainment. A few people are attempting to turn it into something else. They do this to sell products and fill casinos with hopeful losers. That's their job.

I could care less if someone wants to spend their life sitting in a casino waiting for a royal flush. As long as they don't promote it for others, it's none of my business. Playing video poker purely for the enjoyment of the game is totally different than playing it for profit. That is the only point I am trying to make.

"They do this to sell products and fill casinos with hopeful losers. That's their job." -

Phil, do you ever stop to think how many people may read your "advice" and then go to the casino and lose, based on what you said? Aren't you too; filling the casinos with hopeful losers?

"I could care less if someone wants to spend their life sitting in a casino waiting for a royal flush. As long as they don't promote it for others, it's none of my business." -

Phil, how many times have you ripped into "the expert" or "the experts" for following that path? Instead of speaking out against this HONEST WORK why don't you speak out against crooked real estate agents, and those others who earn money through illicit gain? You say that it is none of your business but yet you continually speak out against those who choose to earn their living in casinos or by marketing gaming based material?

I know, you will now come back and say that I am fighting for "The Expert." My standard response is that "The Expert" does not need me to stick up for him and again, just get off the guy's back.

thats another thing, if people want to gamble they will do it anyway reminds me of Ed Rendell opening up new casinos, and the news lady was cursing him because hes creating new gamblers well i hate to break it to that lady but he created nothing except a faster transportation and a higher return percentage for the gamblers, if someone wants to eat their favorite meal they will do so

this site seems to be filled with negative nancies, Phil never claimed video poker machines = atm machines, and just his previous post of stating could you imagine if i had been betting 100$ he would have rode that horse for additional 20 years while the game edge remains the same you could still make a profit off it, its just that 45% will do early in playing negative games

[billryan]

https://youtu.be/ke5Mr5eCF2U

As Mr Lincoln put it, you can fool some of the people all of the time....

[FloridaPhil]

My prediction - Jstark will identify some, and Phil will respond something like: Oh, I wouldn't play that!

Well, I'm back from lunch and as I predicted Jstark didn't provide us with any positive video poker opportunities in Tampa. The only long term positive opportunities that exist in Tampa are in his head.

Does it matter to anyone? It matters because selling the public on beating the casino comes with the assumption you can find a positive game to begin with. I'm not asking for an opportunity that only exists for a few hands. If you are going to live a nice lifestyle off these games, you need more than a few hands of profit. The only positive VP game I have ever seen was at Red Rock Las Vegas in quarters. I assume they are still there? Find me some games like that in Tampa and I will stop repeating myself. Good luck...

While we're waiting for Jstark, you should know that some of the best video poker games at the Tampa Hard Rock are $25 a hand and up. These games are still negative. What possible comps could they give away to make them positive? So you know, there is no cash back at the Hard Rock Casinos. All comp points must be used at the casino and they expire quickly. Even the food court and the gift shop charges double points. They don't even have a golf course. Maybe they can give you a better view of the parking lot?

[Gronbog]

The problem is the repetition of the same ideas over and over and over and ...

There are ways to halt the repetition. I can be banned or my posts shut down. I can run out of things to say or die at my computer.

Or you can just stop repeating.

As far as I can tell, you have run out of things to say. So by your own words above, you should stop until you have something new to add as Webman has suggested.