NYPD

[notes1]

i do not believe there is much that can be done when a sole gunman (or small group) commits a criminal act. with over 300 million people, crap happens. but, the assaults in nyc are being done by multiple folks, who apparently have no fear of police defending themselves and fighting back. and, these assaults are now being repeated. why, again, no fear, no law and order. if this continues, the citizens of nyc will pay a price in future crime. as i have no great warm feelings for nyc (other than 9-11), i do not much care what happens there.

i do not care if this occurs in a liberal or conservative city, it is wrong. i have already expressed my surprise that more cops in portland have not resigned.

[OTABILL]

Cops get water thrown on them in NYC and it's the result of liberal policies run amuck.
So when cops are killed in Republican Dallas and Texas, whose responsibility is it?
Why is it when bad things happen in liberal cities, it's the result of liberal policies, but when they happen in conservative cities, it happens in spite of them. Cop gets killed when Obama was President, it's his fault. Cop gets killed when Trump is prez, it's still Obama fault.
Must be nice to be able to go thru life always blaming others when things go wrong.

For the record, Dallas has had a Democrat as mayor since 2011. Makes no difference, police have been the targets of violence in various cities/states regardless of the political party of Mayors/Governors. The difference is in this case it was open disrespect by community members who thought there would be no consequences.

Both the NYPD commissioner and even Mayor de Blasio agreed this behavior is unacceptable.

"The videos of cops being doused with water and having objects hurled at them as they made an arrest in #Harlem is reprehensible. NYC’s cops & communities have made remarkable progress — together — but EVERY New Yorker MUST show respect for our cops. They deserve nothing less," NYPD Chief Terence Monahan said in a tweet.

Mayor de Blasio echoed Chief Monahan by retweeting him and saying "The NYPD kept New Yorkers safe through the heat wave and Sunday night's outages. We won't tolerate this kind of disrespect."

BTW, these were gang members throwing the water. Great message to the community, if police won't confront them, who really runs the neighborhood.

[billryan]

Of course this behavior is unacceptable. No one is arguing that. What I don't get is was you wanted those cops to do? Let the guy they were arresting go to engage a crowd? To what end? Pull their guns and threaten to shoot the next person who throws water on them? They did their job and when the time and situation was right, the perps were arrested. What more would you want? Tell me what you would have done if you were the cop who got water tossed on him? His training is to not escalate a non emergency and respond with massive numerical superiority. Sometimes it sucks to have to practice restraint in such situations but that is why proper training is essential. This could have easily ended very badly, but at least now it's fodder for internet kommandos everywhere to proclaim how they would have performed heroically.
In the NYC I grew up in, the cops had a lot more to worry about than buckets of water in the middle of a heatwave.

[notes1]

Of course this behavior is unacceptable. No one is arguing that. This could have easily ended very badly, but at least now it's fodder for internet kommandos everywhere to proclaim how they would have performed heroically.

you have made multiple posts and other than the last post, you NEVER said this behavior is unacceptable. it took you 6 posts before stating the obvious.

not a single poster here has 'proclaimed how they would have performed heroically'.

you conveniently skipped over the otabill post that the dallas mayor has been a dem for years.

you are a liar and dishonest.

webman, i am simply using the same language he used toward me in an earlier post. that is his pattern.
deflection, projection, change the subject and name calling.

[billryan]

What did I lie about? Please tell me what I lied about. Disagreeing with you is not lying. Lying is calling a U.S. Army veteran a baby killer when they disagree with you.. Lying is saying someone said something they never said. I've done nothing but defend those cops, who responded well under pressure.

[notes1]

i am grateful to all who served our country.

-it took you 6 posts before actually stating the assault acts were unacceptable, and no one was arguing that. you implied that was your stated position from the beginning. dishonest and/or lie.

-you mention shooting in REPUBLICAN dallas, while failing to mention they have had a DEM mayor for years. dishonest and/or lie.

-no one on this site ever mentioned any heroic actions they would have taken. misleading and or/dishonest.

[notes1]

They did exactly what they were trained to do. Not respond in anger and escalate the situation.

according to article in NY POST, the extremely liberal gov. andrew cuomo-D, when discussing the dousing of nypd, stated the cops behavior was disturbing and embarrassing. he blamed the de blasio policies and training. according to him, 'you don't turn around and get back in your car'. 'you were assaulted, you take the perpetrator into custody. that is what you do.' he went on to say, his state troopers would never tolerate such mistreatment.

so, even the democratic gov of nys agrees that the cops should have had the authority to arrest the thugs who assaulted them and blames the policies of the socialist mayor. so much for the opinion of our ex nyc resident, wrong again.

[Eduardo]

Just because they had the authority doesn't mean it would have been a smart decision. If cops decide on inaction in a situation, I'm going to side with the cops. They are in the best position to make that call in the moment.

Now, when cops DO take action and someone ends up dead, it's not that simple. In those cases, it's a mistake to be either "on the side of cops" or "on the side of victims." Every one of those situations is different and you have to take the time to gather information so you are actually making an informed decision. Unfortunately that doesn't work too well on twitter or in the minds of already-enraged people on either side of an issue.

[New2vp]

Eduardo, are you trying to inject sanity in a less than sane situation? Good job.

[notes1]

Just because they had the authority doesn't mean it would have been a smart decision. If cops decide on inaction in a situation, I'm going to side with the cops. They are in the best position to make that call in the moment.

according to the governor, the cops DID NOT have the authority. that was his point and it is opposite of the authority granted to the state police.

let's change the circumstances a little bit, YOU and your female friend are walking down the street, when a group of thugs start throwing buckets of water (you hope that is what is in the buckets) on both of you. there are a couple of cops watching this assault and they decide to let it go.

still think it was a good decision? be honest.