Coin Incrementing Strategies

[FloridaPhil]

Well, it's happened again. A member's sincere questions have turned in to an insult hurling match. When I asked for the Recreational Forum, my hope was to avoid this. Instead of walking through a subject objectively, some members want to derail it from the start. This tactic started with high profile members years ago as a method of shutting down all disagreement. If we aren't allowed to question anything, we never learn anything new. A question or comment you may think is stupid, just might help someone be a better player.

I most likely have more experience with coin increment VP strategies than anyone on this forum. Olds442jetaway may have more, but we are close. These strategies make sense to a lot of players. If you are going to play the same video poker game with the same bet all the time, math can predict what the long term result is going to be. If you increment your bet, it can't. I watch a lot of live poker games. I don't see any winners who don't change their bet. Why should video poker be any different?

If anyone wants to have a serious discussion about these strategies, I will be happy to give you my two cents worth. If you are looking for another fight, I'm not interested. Been there, done that.

[Waiting4RF]

I wish I could increment my bet after the deal.

[FloridaPhil]

Actually, I think someone pulled that off with the double down button. I assume they fixed that loophole?

[FAA]

I usually vary 1-5 by hand depending on my confidence level. Sometimes I get burned on a quad. Sometimes I win an extra $200 if a SF arrives.

[Carcounter]

Actually, I think someone pulled that off with the double down button. I assume they fixed that loophole?

Google Andre Nestor

[FloridaPhil]

From my experience, the most efficient long term VP betting strategy is to play the best games you have available using computer based hand strategy and stay with the same bet all the time. For most Recreational players, this is not the most exciting way to play.

I enjoy hitting big jackpots as much as the next person. I do not enjoy losing more money just to see them happen. The Deuces Wild games I have to play at my local casino have the same negative odds from a quarter a coin to a dollar. Playing dollars all the time would quadruple my cost to play. What I do is play quarter VP the majority of the time and allocate a small portion of my daily bankroll for dollar play. This gives me a chance of hitting a dollar jackpot without the full cost of playing dollars all the time.

Does this cost or make me money? I believe it costs me money long term, but the extra excitement is worth the cost to me. My wife and I often play the same game side by side. She always plays quarters and never varies her bet. I occasionally change to dollars on a run up. If I hit a dollar jackpot, I go ahead of her. My comps, free play and offers are greater than hers. My annual cost to play is higher.

Playing this way is all about the timing of the denomination change. It is impossible for anyone to guess right enough times to turn a negative game positive long term. If you hit a big enough jackpot doing this and never go back into a casino, you will be a long term winner. If this is your plan, you should play really big and run out fast because the game will eventually take whatever you win back.

Nothing I stated above has any relevance to playing net positive games. I have never seen one except a small group of quarter full pay machines in Vegas. I have asked for an example of a long term positive VP game on this forum numerous times. All I have been given so far is vulturing Ultimate X multipliers. Some day, a player will come on this forum and provide us with details about one of these phantom games. When he does I'm going to ask him the location of his time machine.

[advantage playe]

phil these winning situations with promos, barrel drawings, mailers , ect, r situational and usually non lasting. when they r very lucrative which they sometimes are !! don't expect us to advertise them to the public so they will be even shorter lived !! do ya follow ??

[advantage playe]

I am not a pro advantage player so I should not have said "we" in my last post implying that I am an ap pro! sorry about that as Maxwell smart would say !!

[onemoretry]

A member's sincere questions have turned in to an insult hurling match.

It seems to me that the OP was not really asking a question. Rather, he (or she) was looking to start an argument. Yes, the member did ask the question. And, it was answered without rancor by other members.

But, the OP did not accept the responses and started arguing with the responders.

If there's blame to assign, let's put it on the correct culprit!

[Jstark]

A member's sincere questions have turned in to an insult hurling match.

It seems to me that the OP was not really asking a question. Rather, he (or she) was looking to start an argument. Yes, the member did ask the question. And, it was answered without rancor by other members.

But, the OP did not accept the responses and started arguing with the responders.

If there's blame to assign, let's put it on the correct culprit!

It's the standard M.O. of systems players. They join a forum thinking this have "discovered" something new. And when they get told the truth, they start long, drawn out arguments.