Coin Incrementing Strategies

[FloridaPhil]

phil these winning situations with promos, barrel drawings, mailers , ect, r situational and usually non lasting. when they r very lucrative which they sometimes are !! don't expect us to advertise them to the public so they will be even shorter lived !! do ya follow ??

I have been reading about lucrative casino winning situations for years. I have not played VP in every casino in the world, but I can comment on the ones where I have played.

Today's casinos usually fall into two categories, those with good games and those with good comp programs. At the Mohegan Sun for example, you have a choice. The machines with good odds have a sticker on them stating they are not eligible for comp points. At the Ameristar in Blackhawk Colorado, the games are good and the comps are nearly nonexistent. At my home casino in Tampa, the VP odds are poor, but the comp program is generous. Somehow, a few members claim to find casinos that offer both. They also claim to earn cash back, win drawings, take free cruises and stay in luxury suites while playing near positive games. They also never say where or how these games are allowed to exist.

At my home casino, big drawings are held late at night. I am at home late at night with my family, which is worth more to me than any casino jackpot. My wife tolerates my weekly visits to the casino because she knows where I am and the environment I am exposed to. If she didn't and I came home smelling like an ash tray and a beer, things might be different.

Anyone who has played video poker in the last ten years would have serious difficulty believing these reports. What kind of life is sitting in a casino all night long waiting for a royal flush or waiting to see if your name is called in a drawing? This reported activity is especially suspect if the person doing it is over 70 years old and claims to be wealthy.

The casinos where I play don't need to give away the house to attract players. Perhaps that is what is required in Vegas or AC? None of the retirees that play next to me expect to make a long term profit. That is not their reason for playing. They go there for a day's entertainment and to be with their friends.

[billryan]

So we are on page two of a thread started supposedly to talk about coin incrementing strategies and no one has offered a single one. We get vague promises that based on someone's personal experience,
CSI is a good plan, but no explanations, just vague results.
If CSI works, show us the math. If you want to educate players, educate them. Don't offer vague statements. You claim you have the most experience of anyone here using this strategy. Post your results. You do keep a journal, no?

[wildman49]

I smell a rat.

[billryan]

If someone has years of experience playing a system that they are advocating, they should have documentation to back it up. If someone has a method to disrupt the long term results in favor of short term ones, I'd love to see the math. so far, all we get is a lot of words lamenting the fact that people question his undocumented, unsupported claims. If his way of playing is superior, let him show the evidence. Saying I spent two hours on quarters, felt an urge to switch to dollars and a straight flush showed up is not evidence. It may or may not even be true. Using less than optimal strategy on games is bad. If Phil, in his massive experiences, has concluded that the conventional wisdom derived from trillions of simulated hands is wrong, I simply ask he present his evidence.

[billryan]

Even Fa La La La La.... La la la la would show us his purported results, not just make vague promises.

[onemoretry]

What kind of life is sitting in a casino all night long waiting for a royal flush or waiting to see if your name is called in a drawing? This reported activity is especially suspect if the person doing it is over 70 years old and claims to be wealthy.

Flirting with permanent suspension?

[FloridaPhil]

If someone has years of experience playing a system that they are advocating, they should have documentation to back it up. If someone has a method to disrupt the long term results in favor of short term ones, I'd love to see the math. so far, all we get is a lot of words lamenting the fact that people question his undocumented, unsupported claims. If his way of playing is superior, let him show the evidence. Saying I spent two hours on quarters, felt an urge to switch to dollars and a straight flush showed up is not evidence. It may or may not even be true. Using less than optimal strategy on games is bad. If Phil, in his massive experiences, has concluded that the conventional wisdom derived from trillions of simulated hands is wrong, I simply ask he present his evidence.

Well now, let's go down the list.

1. If someone has years of experience playing a system that they are advocating, they should have documentation to back it up.

I am not advocating any coin incrementing VP strategy. If you read my post you would see I play that way because I like too. I clearly stated the most financially efficient way to play VP is to play the best games you have the best way you can with the same bet.

2. If someone has a method to disrupt the long term results in favor of short term ones, I'd love to see the math. so far, all we get is a lot of words lamenting the fact that people question his undocumented, unsupported claims. If his way of playing is superior, let him show the evidence.

See answer number one.

3. Saying I spent two hours on quarters, felt an urge to switch to dollars and a straight flush showed up is not evidence. It may or may not even be true. Using less than optimal strategy on games is bad. If Phil, in his massive experiences, has concluded that the conventional wisdom derived from trillions of simulated hands is wrong, I simply ask he present his evidence.

If you spend two hours playing five quarters on a 97% video poker game, the math says you will lose about $15 to $20 an hour long term. If you switch to dollars and hit a max coin straight flush you made $250. If you hit a royal flush you made $4,000. A $4,000 profit will cover about 266 hours of quarter losses assuming you don't feed your jackpot back into the machine. I also stated no one could turn a negative game long term positive by doing this.

I answered your questions, here are my questions. Why do you care how I play video poker with my own money? Why do you care how anyone else plays with their own money? If someone makes a profit by incrementing their bet, would you change how you play? Should everyone who plays VP for fun be banned from playing the game?

Speaking of evidence. Where is the evidence that playing optimally pays better? Other than some math formulas and a 20 year old photo, I have never seen any documentation. What I would like to see is hard proof that someone can live a great lifestyle by playing VP in 2019. The chances of seeing that are the same as seeing Trump's tax returns.

Bill, no one cares how you play video poker. No one cares how I play video poker. All they care about is how they play video poker. Whatever we say, they are going to play the way that works best for them.

[FloridaPhil]

What kind of life is sitting in a casino all night long waiting for a royal flush or waiting to see if your name is called in a drawing? This reported activity is especially suspect if the person doing it is over 70 years old and claims to be wealthy.

Flirting with permanent suspension?

I am over 70 years old and claim to be wealthy, so suspend me.

[wildman49]

What kind of life is sitting in a casino all night long waiting for a royal flush or waiting to see if your name is called in a drawing? This reported activity is especially suspect if the person doing it is over 70 years old and claims to be wealthy.

Flirting with permanent suspension?

I am over 70 years old and claim to be wealthy, so suspend me.

That is why I called rat. Your post was out for 5 minutes and the Vegas guru signs in after taking a few days off not 21, someone tipped him off. But who,hmmmm.

[wildman49]

Not cool