Denomination Dilemma

[case]

Phil we do understand your plight...all of us...even the "newbies"

1:You have poor VP in Florida
2: The games are unbeatable in Florida and most of the country
3: You play lower stakes so you lose less money but are still entertained
4: You worry people will get the wrong impression and think VP is a beatable game in any casino and you fight for that to be clear
5: You only play dollars when you win a bit for the thrill of the big payoff even though you know it is a losing proposition.
6: You do agree with the math but nothing is guaranteed.
7: You believe most people on here come across as winners and you want to correct that. (most people are not long term winners and everyone know this)
8: You believe rather than talk about winning we should discuss the dangers of playing and what it can do to your life, especially if you play for too high of stakes.
9: There is way more money in the stock market than in VP.

I could go on of course but my point is just to say we understand all this and I believe most new players who take the time to learn the proper strategy also know this. Most people I see in the casino play quarters, even in Vegas. They play max coin, not because they think they can win but for the thrill of the big hands. A one coin royal is like kissing your sister.

There are people who play for a living but sure they are far and few between. We all get this.

I do feel your frustration and know you mean well. It is just that we have heard your message and get it. Now let us move on my friend.

[billryan]

Very well said.

[FAA]

I think we already have Profit Forum. It’s called Viva Las Vegas. Ah, to enter my secondary casino with unavailable funds tied up in a primary casino TITO.

[OTABILL]

My personal suspicion is that none of today's casinos are beatable long term.

Definitely not true. Replace the word "casinos" with "video poker games" and it's still not true. Additionally replace the word "none" with "many" and then you've made an accurate statement.

You are saying many casinos and video poker games are beatable long-term. That implies well over 1/2. Please elaborate.

My apologies. I botched the substitution. I meant the statement to end up saying that "many" video poker games are not beatable which is to say that some are beatable. However, I did mean to say that almost all casinos are beatable. To elaborate on that, almost every casino I have ever visited has had a blackjack game that I could beat.

Thanks for clarifying. Now it makes sense.

[OTABILL]

Phil we do understand your plight...all of us...even the "newbies"

1:You have poor VP in Florida
2: The games are unbeatable in Florida and most of the country
3: You play lower stakes so you lose less money but are still entertained
4: You worry people will get the wrong impression and think VP is a beatable game in any casino and you fight for that to be clear
5: You only play dollars when you win a bit for the thrill of the big payoff even though you know it is a losing proposition.
6: You do agree with the math but nothing is guaranteed.
7: You believe most people on here come across as winners and you want to correct that. (most people are not long term winners and everyone know this)
8: You believe rather than talk about winning we should discuss the dangers of playing and what it can do to your life, especially if you play for too high of stakes.
9: There is way more money in the stock market than in VP.

I could go on of course but my point is just to say we understand all this and I believe most new players who take the time to learn the proper strategy also know this. Most people I see in the casino play quarters, even in Vegas. They play max coin, not because they think they can win but for the thrill of the big hands. A one coin royal is like kissing your sister.

There are people who play for a living but sure they are far and few between. We all get this.

I do feel your frustration and know you mean well. It is just that we have heard your message and get it. Now let us move on my friend.

I agree. This is a nice, concise summation of what FP's numerous posts postulate.

[FAA]

This is yet another instance of free play being the catalyst for an artificially created crisis. Don’t let free play become doomsday.

[FloridaPhil]

Strategies to reduce the cost to play the majority of today's negative VP games are just as valuable to most players as advantage play strategy is to a profitable game player. More so, because there are millions more negative game players.

If this forum is going to attempt to help the majority of players, we need forum experts and players who openly discuss playing negative VP games. We don't need critics calling us names because we want to lose less. There is only one Advantage Play strategy. There are dozens of ways to reduce the cost to play negative VP games.

How many video poker machines are there in the US? Tens of thousands? Of all those games, how many are potentially profitable long term at a denomination an average player can afford to play? I would guess very few. Doesn't it make sense to discuss playing games we all can play, instead of just tiny fraction?

[billryan]

Asked and answered.
Are you attempting suicide by moderation?

[FAA]

Agreed. Tread very lightly near the third rail.

[FloridaPhil]

OK, let's try this. I'll do my best not to repeat the 9 items listed above.

The video poker world I see when I go to a casino looks like this. The casino is full of retirees with lots of gray hair. Most all wear glasses. Some use a walker or an electric scooter. They go to the casino to meet with their friends and to be entertained. Some are well off. Some are living on a tight budget. All of these players want to make a profit. None of them do long term.

Most of the players I see play slots. There is a group of us who play video poker. The most popular VP game at my casino is 8/5 double double bonus. The second most popular is 97% Deuces Wild. We enjoy our time at the casino or we wouldn't go back. Everyone is smiling when they walk in. Few are when they walk out. It has been that way ever since I started going to a casino. Only the odds have changed.

Try to visualize yourself at my casino. Do you think anyone cares about EV, royal cycles or variance? What they care about is making their money last until their car or bus leaves for home. Helping these players to enjoy the game more for less is not Voodoo.

When you see one of my posts, know where I play and who I am talking to. Don't assume I am addressing a player at South Point, Red Rock, AC or any place that has better games. There is a huge casino world where players are not advantaged and never will be. Give them the space they deserve and we will all get along.