Borgata AC

[FAA]

Operative word is when. Trying to gauge the break in the storm.

[OTABILL]

Operative word is when. Trying to gauge the break in the storm.

I am sure, given the context of your post, that I am not the only one who assumed "c" from the Merriam Webster dictionary was applicable:
"a
: at or during the time that : WHILE
went fishing when he was a boy
b
: just at the moment that
stop writing when the bell rings
c
: at any or every time that
when he listens to music, he falls asleep"

Clarity is essential when you use words with multiple interpretations.

[Karl_EDT]

I'm sorry for those players who had terrible months, I hope your fortune changes soon. I agree it is very frustrating when you cannot even get enough hits to at least extend your sessions before you finish off your allotted money for the trip/session. Back when I regularly visited casinos, my philosophy was "I expect to lose whatever I play with but I hope to play for X number of hours" depending on where I was and what game I played, etc.

This world we live in is full of examples of dishonesty, corruption and lack of integrity across many industries and societies. We see it all the time, especially so in the very people we look to run things and enforce the law, our governements. Why then is it so hard to believe that a business like today's Casinos does not have such unfortunate things happening too? I'm not saying Borgotta cheated jeyermacaw or even FAA, but it is possible that such things can and do happen these days, don't you think?

[Tedlark]

Not in a regulated casino, no I do not. Just my opinion.

[olds442jetaway]

I would have to agree with Ted for now, but AI is such an unknown I guess anything is possible down the road a bit.

[notes12]

casino 'regulation' will surely protect consumers. just as regulation has saved us from dishonesty/corruption from industries that are much more regulated, such as banking, wall street, pharma, emissions control, planes losing parts while in the air, government.....

I know, casinos do not need to cheat, they can just reduce payouts anytime they want. but, what if they do not want to advertise they are paying out less?

I have been playing VP for more than 15 years. the machines used to be crowded, it was difficult at times to get a seat. not anymore, they are largely empty. and, at the casino I play, the pay tables have stayed the same. they were 97% before and still a crappy 97%. but, people sometimes won. not anymore.

to me, that is the best evidence that things have changed. it is not just one person's opinion, it is the cumulative effect of taking lots of players money, with little hope of reward.

[FAA]

One guru says not to play until you’ve seen a hand pay. We’d have to go home 90% of our trips as frustrated scouts. You better go Friday and Saturday nights simply to guarantee enough traffic for the possibility.

[Tedlark]

One guru says not to play until you’ve seen a hand pay. We’d have to go home 90% of our trips as frustrated scouts. You better go Friday and Saturday nights simply to guarantee enough traffic for the possibility.

Sounds logical, lol.....

[onemoretry]

One guru says not to play until you’ve seen a hand pay.

What so-called (and probably self-annointed) guru came up with this bit of nonsense?

[Karl_EDT]

casino 'regulation' will surely protect consumers. just as regulation has saved us from dishonesty/corruption from industries that are much more regulated, such as banking, wall street, pharma, emissions control, planes losing parts while in the air, government.....

It took me a couple tries to grasp your point but now I get it (I'm not that bright I admit it, but I always thought I had basic common sense.) Your opening paragraph, which I quoted above, sums up my trains of thought and why I said what I said in my earlier post. The last couple decades has seen an erosion in integrity and honesty and simple fairness in many areas and businesses, and as you said Notes, so-called "regulation" has not prevented this unfortunate state of affairs, especially in heavy regulation industries and concerns. The complete 2008 financial crisis-fiasco was the result of both incompetence and sheer callous disregard of basic fairness on the part of the banks and their regulators. The recent Boeing aircraft crisis, which as that story develops, appears to be just another example of short sighted greedy people risking other people's lives just so they can have a nicer house or blow money on whatever fleeting pleasure they love. And of course, the tragic epic deadly opioid crisis of the last 25 years, who do you blame for that? The Evil pharma companies, the incompetent FDA , DEA and other agencies who literally let it happen yet who clamor for ever growing budgets just so they can continue to fail and watch millions of lives destroyed?

If these critical areas and industries are vulnerable to corruption and human weakness, then why on earth wouldn't casinos? And I used to agree with ted and others, that the casinos do not need to cheat and that they are fair. But now I cannot help but wonder. I freely admit though I have no hard evidence that experiences like Jeter's recent shutout and others, that started this discussion, are the result of casinos messing with their machines to not payout simply to pad their bottom lines.