What do you think

[duckhunter]

First my wife believes that the Casinos can turn the Machines on and off and can profile you by your play and other things if you use your card.  She had a good point, why would the Casinos want you to use a card (to give you money and lots of good things?  yea right).  Maybe we have been conditioned to do the right play by all the software and training and EV talk, maybe this isn't the way to win.  Why is it that we practice perfect play and don't win anything and someone that doesn't even know that their are 53 cards on Joker poker, or what the ranking are and they cant help but win everything.  Maybe Dancer, Scott and all the others really work for the Casino think about it, I now the math is there but  you will come out in the long Term.  Now I am talking Short term play (don't know what is Long term is and is it any good to anyone like I am going to buy a new car but have to wait for the long term to come in ?really what is it), and We want to win every time (key word want to) but we don't want to win right before we are put in the ground what good is the money then, kids will get to play (they do now).  Maybe its trends, I wish I could figure that out but then the Casinos would get the Pros to write a book and say my idea is wrong (I would probably buy it too along with all the other books and software I have).  Anyway we decided to change our way of play.  Has this ever happened to you, this has happened way too many times to be a accident or coincident.  DDB full house, 3A's and pair, throw the pair away don't get and get a A on the next hand, Royal Flush, need a 10 get the 10 you need next hand, 3 of a kind on Deluxe get forth card on next hand.  I wonder if their is a timing factor, I have had this happen to me too much lately, maybe its been happening all alone but I didn't notice.  I have even started counting to 10 to change the time for the card.  last idea how many times have you gotten 4 to the Royal and not get it, the other day I was playing deuces 10 play and got 4 to the Royal on the bottom, nope not even a wild Royal.  Funny- the other day a guy was sitting beside me and hit a Royal flush and called his buddy and told him guess what I just hit a Royal Straight.? 

[oej719]

Aw the 10 second rule. That is a falacy.
The right one is 15 seconds. If dealt 3 of a kind, wait 15 seconds to hit the draw button. I understand this has a 50/50 chance of a positive outcome.

[stueungar]

I don't think you are crazy duckhunter.  I have been playing a ton of VP  for over 10 years at many different venues in vegas and at the Indian Casinos here in So Cal and have noticed many of those patterns.  Heres one that you didn't mention that I see virtually EVERY SESSION I PLAY THAT IS 3 HRS OR MORE:  Holding 3 to the royal  and and on the 1st card drawn getting 1 of the 2 for the royal but, of course, not the 2nd card needed for the royal.  Now, the math says that you should hit that 4th card exactly TWICE AS OFTEN as hitting the 5th card you need on a four-to-the-royal draw.  I'm telling you that I have hit that 4th card when holding 3 to the royal on EVERY SESSION FOR AT LEAST 50 STRAIGHT SESSIONS WHEN I PLAY A MINIMUM OF 3 HRS.  Of course I have not hit the royal half that many times.  Now, don't get me wrong,  I do hit a fair amount of royals I guess but I challenge anyone to tell me why that 4th card so often appears (and, again, not the 5th) when holding 3 to the royal.  If there was ever an example that suggested that the machine is rigged for some reason (I guess to excite you comming so close to the royal) this is it.  Don't take my word for it.  Start taking note when you play single line for at least 3 hrs sessions.  By the way happened last night again twice.
 
  By the way virtually all of my play is DDB single line. 

[faygo]

I guess we all have been dubious of Casinos from time to time. Most generally when we are losing. On those days when we leave on  a positive note, our doubts just seem to vanish. I won't try to cover all the anectdodal points you bring up. The one about getting the card you need on the next hand- was it the right suit? The guy getting the Royal that did not know the lingo, to me , proves just how random the events can be.
I have played on various trainers, this site, and more Casinos then I care to mention. The results I have seen have been very consistent in their randomness. Inorder to be programmed in a manner you suggest, all of these folks would have to be involved in a vast conspiracy. Don't think they could pull it off. I do know this for a fact. After I learned the correct holds, my losses have been less and my wins greater.
 
Just one more thing, the card, it allows the Casino to know we are there, but the machine don't know us from Adam. Totally separate systems.
 
 

[oej719]

Bummer. You just blew my 15 second theory all to pieces.
So the slot card cannot tell the rng that I hit a royal on my last visit and to with hold big jackpots until the casino recovers that loss?

[faygo]

Bummer. You just blew my 15 second theory all to pieces.
So the slot card cannot tell the rng that I hit a royal on my last visit and to with hold big jackpots until the casino recovers that loss?
 
Sorry

[faygo]

I don't think you are crazy duckhunter.  I have been playing a ton of VP  for over 10 years at many different venues in vegas and at the Indian Casinos here in So Cal and have noticed many of those patterns.  Heres one that you didn't mention that I see virtually EVERY SESSION I PLAY THAT IS 3 HRS OR MORE:  Holding 3 to the royal  and and on the 1st card drawn getting 1 of the 2 for the royal but, of course, not the 2nd card needed for the royal.  Now, the math says that you should hit that 4th card exactly TWICE AS OFTEN as hitting the 5th card you need on a four-to-the-royal draw.  I'm telling you that I have hit that 4th card when holding 3 to the royal on EVERY SESSION FOR AT LEAST 50 STRAIGHT SESSIONS WHEN I PLAY A MINIMUM OF 3 HRS.  Of course I have not hit the royal half that many times.  Now, don't get me wrong,  I do hit a fair amount of royals I guess but I challenge anyone to tell me why that 4th card so often appears (and, again, not the 5th) when holding 3 to the royal.  If there was ever an example that suggested that the machine is rigged for some reason (I guess to excite you comming so close to the royal) this is it.  Don't take my word for it.  Start taking note when you play single line for at least 3 hrs sessions.  By the way happened last night again twice.
 
  By the way virtually all of my play is DDB single line. 

 
I wonder how it decides which one of the two you need from the remaining 47 cards to give you.

[Eduardo]

Why do airlines and credit card companies offer frequent flyer miles? Just to be nice? No, to get you to fly and spend more using their cards.  Seems simple enough to me, and it's a win-win.

[duckhunter]

Along with the other things have you ever put a 100 in a machine and just about when its gone you hit something, not enought to cover the 100 but close, we have had this happen also alot, and if you dont cash out its all gone.      Just for argument, I know, I know, but not being paranoid I think that big brother knows a lot more about us than people want to believe.  technology has grown in leaps and bounds ( I work in a industry that uses technology in the control of machines, 18 years ago we had a program with Bailey controls that could predict the happing of a certain system that would change the speed and control of that item,up to a long amount of time before it happened,  this was far smarter than derivative (a word used in instrument process control), it was a smith predictor program-18 years ago- and it worked).  Yes I have watched the cards and it was the cards I needed, more than not.  My son travels a lot and asked us if we had ever listened to books on tapes, which we hadn't but shortly after that a woman at my wife's work give her some books on tape(they were Cd's) to listen to, one of these was the a book by Stephen King called the Cell, about cell phones and how a pulse hit them and drove everyone memory that was on the cell phone to core base (some people believe that the mind is like a computer with certain core processes), and in the reading it said you don't think this could happen yet you believe we can drop a bomb from 30,000 feet through a bunker door(seen on TV so it must be true) think about it.  Also we have been going to the Casinos a lot in Jan and we are positive++++, so far and we still don't trust them,  like a church when you quit giving money they forget who you are.   I will try the 15 second theory latter to day if I get four to the Royal, have rooms and food for days.  again the above was just for discussion, just fun.

[oej719]

The 15 second rule is for 3 of a kind.
I have never heard the timing for 4 to a royal. I bet it is something odd like 17, 19, 23. I usually look at it for a long time to make sure it is 4 to a royal take a deep breath, exhale slowly then sneak up draw button and gently push it. It has about a 50/50 chance. It will or it won't.