video poker flat betting

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dinghy
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Re: video poker flat betting

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mansi1989 wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:42 am
Isnt it not good for the casino. Why they would allow it to peoples.
Customer satisfaction.

Olds is a happy customer, so he publicizes the casino. This attracts new customers to collect free play. The new customers publicize the casino, which attracts newer customers to collect free play.

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dinghy wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:10 am
mansi1989 wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:42 am
Isnt it not good for the casino. Why they would allow it to peoples.
Customer satisfaction.

Olds is a happy customer, so he publicizes the casino. This attracts new customers to collect free play. The new customers publicize the casino, which attracts newer customers to collect free play.
But you do realise it means if i travel somewhere from other side of world to the vegas and start playing living there i can earn living with it. I mean really living in there? It sounds little too good to be true isn`t it
If thats the case there should be really tons of people doing that. I have a feeling not all of the casinos allow that. There must be some few who accept that kind of thing ?

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mansi1989 wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:31 am
It sounds little too good to be true isn`t it
You seem to be overlooking the fact that "free play" is nor really free at all. In all but a very, very few cases, so-called "free play" must be earned through play, and, quite often, losses are incurred.

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Post by mansi1989 »

onemoretry wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:39 am
mansi1989 wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:31 am
It sounds little too good to be true isn`t it
You seem to be overlooking the fact that "free play" is nor really free at all. In all but a very, very few cases, so-called "free play" must be earned through play, and, quite often, losses are incurred.
well olds442 described here beautifully he plays 12000 coins or so which is perhaps 3000 dollars and with 300 free money it equals 1000 if you play with 0,25 cents
And you have to play only 20 dollars to get that casinos money. its not much at all.
Statistics say you loose 12 perhaps per hour, but with 300 free money you can get profit much more. This is what i understood from He`s post. Lets wait what he will say about it

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Post by olds442jetaway »

In case there is any confusion, when I talk about coin in, it means dollars in. On triple status point days, to earn the extra 100 bucks in free play, requires about 6,000 in coin in. Dollars. That will be different for everyone. On non triple status point days, that number requires about 18,000 dollars or coin in. I really don’t know exactly how they figure the 20 bucks in free play I get 4 or 5 days a week. It must be a combination of factors. I can’t see anyone getting rich playing there unless somebody hits a huge progressive like I saw in person one time for like 2.5 million bucks on a 2 seater penny machine. For me, I think I get pretty good value for my recreation dollar. In Ct, there is nowhere you can stay overnight in rooms of the quality they have for less than hundreds of dollars a night. Combined with the free food 24/7 if you want it and various other things I don’t even use, I think staying and playing there is a pretty good deal as long as you are playing VP on at least 98 percent games and know what you are doing meaning the strategy and have a long term outlook.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

In 9/6 JOB, I rarely hold a J, Q, K, with 10 of the same suit. I usually toss the 10. Does anyone know the long term reduction in the return of 99.54? Thanks. I never hold an A, 10 either. Just the Ace.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:38 am
Does anyone know the long term reduction in the return of 99.54?
I don't know how to calculate that. I think the biggest damage would be dropping the 10 from a J, because the two ranks are connected with no gap. Consider this hand:

J♡ T♡ 6♤ 4♢ 2♧

The JT hold has a 0.51 EV, while the lonely J is 0.47.

On that hand, you'd be costing yourself about 4 percentage points. If the same hand or equivalent comes along every 200 deals, your overall cost would be 0.02% imo.

But I assume you're selectively deviating (from basic) based on flow of the cards or other experiential factors, and I definitely don't know how to calculate that.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:38 am
In 9/6 JOB, I rarely hold a J, Q, K, with 10 of the same suit. I usually toss the 10. Does anyone know the long term reduction in the return of 99.54? Thanks. I never hold an A, 10 either. Just the Ace.
One of these a few weeks ago and the other on Tuesday. But this is 7/5 BP so a flush is worth even less than 9/6 JoB.
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Post by FAA »

$18,000 coin in equates to a -$83 JOB. We know from experience to add $500. I consider it a great trip if I get to $3,000 coin in relatively intact, like last week.

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