RNG question ???

[Eduardo]

If the argument is that UX takes 1% more of your bankroll long term, I would say that is very wrong and that on average it probably takes a LOT more than that. The strategy is incredibly different from normal games and I don't think the average person even comes close to playing it perfectly.

In other words.... of all the games out there, UX is the one least in need of rigging for a casino profit. It will be incredibly profitable for a casino no matter what.

I don't think you would need AI to analyze the starting hands of UX (though it's a good thought).

If you had an hour long video of UX play and recorded the starting hands and multipliers on the board (some work, but not too terrible) then I think we have people here smart enough to help determine if those hands fall within a reasonable expectation of random hands in a fair game.

Need to present hard data or it's just sour grapes. Any gambler knows how to whine about unfair games... that's certainly nothing new to this world.

[olds442jetaway]

My post where I mentioned the one percent number, refers to my total play for the year on all games I play. ( UX isn’t one of them ). It represents my actual return compared to what the pay tables say it should be. Very little of that would be strategy errors or other mistakes. In fact though long intern it shouldn’t matter, I think the extra loss is because the bigger and better hands tend to come in all at once in a very short time frame. If one has cut off bankroll losses before that, you will leave before getting most of your money back. Probably makes no sense to anyone but me.

[dinghy]

My post where I mentioned the one percent number, refers to my total play for the year on all games I play. ( UX isn’t one of them ). It represents my actual return compared to what the pay tables say it should be.

It's funny that you're in this thread because your Mrs is a UX specialist. I wonder what she would say about the OP's assertions.

[olds442jetaway]

Interesting question. Those UX machines totally turned on her so far in 2024. Straight down. Will be very interested to see if it continues. Could be coincidence last year and this. Who knows. I never could do a thing with it the few times I played it. They actually started turning on her shortly before year end. She is better at money management than I am. I know it makes no sense to the math gang, but if she had a bad machine, she will cash out at some point and play another or a different game entirely. Also after a good hit she will cash out. I’m too stubborn both. Not supposed to make a difference long term, but it seems to.

[dinghy]

Those UX machines totally turned on her so far in 2024.

Oh, my bad for being inattentive to your thread. I thought she was still boomswitched.

They actually started turning on her shortly before year end.

That means she struck the iceberg almost exactly on the December 18th start date of this thread.

Probably just a coincidence.

[olds442jetaway]

I forget the exact date, might have been a bit before. Will have to check on my Bizarro thread. Looks like her last winning trip late in the game was 11/25. Only at best even after that the rest of the year. Gotta get back and serious with the Market. Play VP for fun and free rooms, food, etc. It’s not going to work out as a part time job. Tried too many years already. Still fun though. Never get bored.

[applepear86]

lets say ur doin 5 play UX. the big macdaddy multipliers 8x and up come out once in like 25 hands on any particular spot within those 5 hands, or once every 5 deals in anywhere within the deal. If your bucket list goal is you want some big stuff like 4 aces and a kicker landed on that 8x and up, you're gonna have to go through like 90,000 deals on average on 5 hand lol. And given UX's rotten paytables unless ur gambling with someone's house on the huge denoms, ur gonna be paying A LOT of juice out of the paytable working up to that goal, manyfold what the payout would be. Do the math, 7/5 ddb on nickels, that 800 to 1200 dollar 4 aces and kicker payout is going to cost you 9,000 dollars on average in loss lol. Or more if you go through a horrific dry spell way over 90,000 deals. And given that 4 aces and a kicker are a big part of the EV within DDB and especially TDB, that value wrapped up in those premium multiplied hands is kinda imprisoned so the return to you is actually much lower than advertised unless you do a crazy amount of volume. It's not the RNG.

I do understand your math. and I agree with. you. But my point is this, if. they. say that VP is totally. random, then. your odds of getting a winning hand on 8X or 2X or 10X should be the same. I' sure you have been dealt trips on the bottom many times and missed numerous times, it just seems to miss a lot more on UX. For example on HOT Roll, I have hit numerous 4OAK hands, with multiplier. many. times ive had trips on the bottom and hit the last Ace or 2. this UX is just a weird game, Love to have a chat with IGT guy about this game

Yea, each and every hand is equal as to how often anything can come up of course. But 8x, 10x, and 12x is so rare that it works out to 1 in every 25 quads is multiplied by them. And over half of quads won't even get any multiplier at all lol. And the 2x 3x 4x? Let's be honest, those kinda just keep you alive in the hellfire since you're paying a 100% toll for the wild ride. Anyone who longplays UX and expects to maintain a bankroll is living in another reality.

Everything about the RNG and cards is the same, it's just your perception and/or luck. If I had to guess, IGT probably designed it to double the bet, amplify player mistakes from the weird holds, and to keep players chasing their losses.

[dinghy]

Everything about the RNG and cards is the same, it's just your perception and/or luck.

OP guarantees it's rigged. Can you guarantee it isn't? I can't.

If I had to guess, IGT probably designed it to double the bet, amplify player mistakes from the weird holds, and to keep players chasing their losses.

Also I think they're figuring out what works through trial and error. They've released many unsuccessful concepts, and probably tested/developed others that never saw the cigarette smoke of a Nevada casino.

Anyone who longplays UX and expects to maintain a bankroll is living in another reality.

I play it when the situation dictates. It can be found with mid to upper 99% pay schedules, sometimes with better than usual theo potential.

[ash190]

That's wild, man. RNG in Ultimate X raising eyebrows? Played tons myself, but if it's dealing crazy winning hands in tournaments, something's fishy. Curious to hear what others think...

[dinghy]

Played tons myself, but if it's dealing crazy winning hands in tournaments, something's fishy.

Yes, the game is rigged in tournament mode. They're not hiding it.

https://www.igt.com/-/media/cd15dfb547a ... a1125.ashx



If you can figure out how to activate tournament mode for real money, I predict financial success in your future.