RNG question ???

[didigoftam]

rsactuary, i do get your point. But I'm not imagining anything. Ive played long enough to know. i am certain the game is rigged, I'll give you a Scenario. Chat GPT 4.0 has new plug ins. one of those plug ins has the ability to watch youtube videos and them give you a summary, i guarantee you someone with knowledge of this technology can input 100's of Videos of Bigcats and steven & Massacre and everyone else that is playing Ultimate X, then have the AI analyse all the hands with multipliers, then look at the Flop on the next hand. I am certain that after all the calculations are done, the AI will find a pattern and it will give us a result. This will be an interesting experiment.

[didigoftam]

Ultimate X tourneys are absolutely rigged and are not indicative of how you will play on the casino floor.

As for patterns and cycles, it's all your imagination.

thank you for your time and comment, please see my latest reply.
happy new year

[didigoftam]

I don’t play it, but my wife does. It will usually beat you up for about 8 hours, then give you 5 minutes to get 90 percent of your money back. She sees the same thing every week and every session. After she gets most of her money back, it starts the same cycle all over again only faster than the first one and in the wrong direction. I know I am in the minority, but I think many games me may be at least partly rigged. If I play for free and practice on say wolf vp, I stay just about even. At the casino, a loss just about every session, though many times I am ahead early, then straight down the rest of the session. I play about one million hands a year at the casino and have been playing over 25 years. Nothing much has changed except I think the dud cycles are longer and the win cycles are shorter, but sometimes big wins jammed into 5 minutes of play. People will say…..why don’t you just quit. The short answer is I enjoy both playing at the casino now that they have gone smoke free and We both enjoy the dinner and room comps. Also, we only have an hour drive. At the end of the year, if the comps add up to roughly what I have lost, I’m not thrilled, but ok with it.

I see your point. Believe me, Single play Ultimate X Deuces Wild, after getting a four of a kind, 7X shows up for the next hand. I have never ever ever ever gotten dealt a hand on the 7X. I made a point of having my. friend keep track for 8 sessions. Never ever we got anything. I know Math and Calculus, and Im a UCLA graduate. So i understand odds, this game is Rigged, i will go to my grave with this statement.

[didigoftam]

lets say ur doin 5 play UX. the big macdaddy multipliers 8x and up come out once in like 25 hands on any particular spot within those 5 hands, or once every 5 deals in anywhere within the deal. If your bucket list goal is you want some big stuff like 4 aces and a kicker landed on that 8x and up, you're gonna have to go through like 90,000 deals on average on 5 hand lol. And given UX's rotten paytables unless ur gambling with someone's house on the huge denoms, ur gonna be paying A LOT of juice out of the paytable working up to that goal, manyfold what the payout would be. Do the math, 7/5 ddb on nickels, that 800 to 1200 dollar 4 aces and kicker payout is going to cost you 9,000 dollars on average in loss lol. Or more if you go through a horrific dry spell way over 90,000 deals. And given that 4 aces and a kicker are a big part of the EV within DDB and especially TDB, that value wrapped up in those premium multiplied hands is kinda imprisoned so the return to you is actually much lower than advertised unless you do a crazy amount of volume. It's not the RNG.

I do understand your math. and I agree with. you. But my point is this, if. they. say that VP is totally. random, then. your odds of getting a winning hand on 8X or 2X or 10X should be the same. I' sure you have been dealt trips on the bottom many times and missed numerous times, it just seems to miss a lot more on UX. For example on HOT Roll, I have hit numerous 4OAK hands, with multiplier. many. times ive had trips on the bottom and hit the last Ace or 2. this UX is just a weird game, Love to have a chat with IGT guy about this game

[dinghy]

I know Math and Calculus, and Im a UCLA graduate.

Nobody's perfect. I still think we should hear you out.

So i understand odds, this game is Rigged, i will go to my grave with this statement.

What % do you think the house is holding on these rigged games?

What % should the house be holding if the games were fair? (This would be a function of pay schedules and strategy accuracy.)

[olds442jetaway]

I can’t answer for the gang on this thread, but I think the difference where I play is about 1 percent extra for the house over the course of a year. On any given night, one can lose 25 percent on JOB as well. That of course is offset by Royal hits for the most part in other sessions.

[onemoretry]

Believe me, Single play Ultimate X Deuces Wild, after getting a four of a kind, 7X shows up for the next hand. I have never ever ever ever gotten dealt a hand on the 7X.

That's really strange. Did you forget to press the deal button?

[dinghy]

That's really strange. Did you forget to press the deal button?

[dinghy]

I think the difference where I play is about 1 percent extra for the house over the course of a year.

Wait, which question are you answering?

Let's see if I've learned anything. I think you're saying MS takes 1% more than the math would indicate, on all vp games overall, because of the departure from true randomness. This is because players lack sufficient bankroll to survive the dud streaks.

[didigoftam]

I know Math and Calculus, and Im a UCLA graduate.

Nobody's perfect. I still think we should hear you out.

So i understand odds, this game is Rigged, i will go to my grave with this statement.

What % do you think the house is holding on these rigged games?

What % should the house be holding if the games were fair? (This would be a function of pay schedules and strategy accuracy.)

I'm simply stating my observation when playing UX. I think as i mentioned before, If someone with Knowledge can analyse the Play on hours of videos on youtube, they can answer the question of Percentages held by the casinos better. I would really like to see an AI app that can analyse these videos and make a comparison to regular triple play or Five play and come out with an answer. I guarantee you the AI will find a discrepancy. My real problem with this is that i really thought VP was 100% random regardless of the Type of Game.