Deuces Wild

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wilcoxfun
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Re: Deuces Wild

Post by wilcoxfun »

My first royal was on deuces wild. So I really like the game. However, my next royal was on double double bonus so I really like that game as well LOL!

trod
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Post by trod »

I have hit more royals on deuces than any other poker machine.  I don't know why this happens but for me it does.  Wierd!

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Post by BOOPSAHOY »

I think it happens because we hold the "royal cards" more often hoping for a wild royal.

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Post by mpact »

It is simple math...perfectly played full play DW returns 100.76 %,much better than any other game. Not only that,to me,it is by far the most fun,even with the losing streaks inherent in any form of video poker.

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Post by Lucky Larry »

I have friends that only play Deuces Wild and it seems to me that it is a losing proposition.  I guess the object of the game is to get 4 deuces, because all of the other payouts are pretty weak.  5 of a kind pays good, but everything else is kind of lame, in my opinion.  Some games are Bonus and Super Bonus, but bottom line it is a lot of work for a small return.  What do you think?

I personally play DW because I can find good pay tables at multiple denominations, its fairly easy to learn and play by rote when tired, and the volatility is very low so I'm usually in the game a longer time. Part of my game plan is to stay in long enough to hit the deuces or RF. Check out "Isle 1/28/13 Deuces" report.

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Post by BobDancer »

Those who cite high return for FPDW are spot on. That should be a major criterion for game selection if the amount of money you win or lose is important to you.Those who cite DW is more fun are expressing an opinion. (BTW, I happen to agree with that opinion but certainly others may disagree). Overall DDB is the most popular video poker game with DW in second place, but that certainly isn't my personal ranking. I'll pick the highest dollars-per-hour first and if the numbers are equal, I'll choose Quick Quads first, Deuces Wild second, and everything else third.Those who cite that DB is a lot more volatile than DW are wrong --- depending on the definition of "a lot." The exact variance depends on the pay schedule, but 10/7 DB has a variance of 28.25 and FPDW has a variance of 25.8. These are fairly close to each other.Those who don't like DW because they haven't done well on the game in the past are not using a relevant criterion. Your personal score is pretty irrelevant and is dominated by short term luck, and for many people, faulty memories because they don't keep good records. The EV of the game played well is MUCH more important. Once you learn the skills, play long enough and your results will approach what the long term EV says they should be.One "problem" with DW is that different pay schedules have widely different strategies. Sometimes you hold two pair, sometimes you throw one of the pairs away. Sometimes it matters which of the pairs you keep. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a pair is better than a 4-card flush, sometimes it isn't. The rules for a deuce plus 3-cards to a straight flush compared to a dealt flush, straight, or 3-of-a-kind vary widely from pay schedule to pay schedule. Experienced players can learn to be comfortable switching between strategies. Not-so-experienced players get confused unless they always play the same strategy. The person who said the strategy for DW games is easy was correct --- IF you continually play the same pay schedule. If you switch pay schedules, it can require more study than many recreational players wish to undertake. Even if players are willing to study, a non-trivial amount of mental agility is required. Many players simply don't possess enough brain cells to switch easily.In my classes at South Point which start in a week, we'll be teaching three different versions of Deuces Wild (NSU, 9-4-4 Deuces Bonus, and 12-9 Deuces Double Bonus). If you attend all three classes, it will become very clear what pay schedule changes cause which parts of the strategies to change. Even if you switch to another pay schedule yet, the classes will give you a pretty good idea of how to adjust the strategy --- and why.There is a flow to DW. If you don't hit a royal or a set of deuces today you're very likely going to go home a loser. That's no big deal to those who keep a long term score. For those to whom today's score is important, it can be a big deal. You need a certain personality to withstand a losing session and each game requires a slightly different personality.Bob 


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Post by BillyJoe »

It is simple math...perfectly played full play DW returns 100.76 %,much better than any other game. Not only that,to me,it is by far the most fun,even with the losing streaks inherent in any form of video poker.
So, if I can find and play FPDW, and I play perfectly, and I play for a very long time (since there will be losing streaks), I can get all the up to earning 76 cents for each $100 that I invest.    Is my math correct?
 
As a recreational player who lives in a non-casino state, and only plays on gaming trips, I will take a higher volatility game for the short time that I am able to play, and take my chances.

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Post by royal flush »



that is  correct plus the value of points comps which can be 1/2%. why play a negative expected game to try to force a win vs playing the best game unless this is the last time you will play vp as life is a continous session and not just one short session

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Post by Vman96 »

that is  correct plus the value of points comps which can be 1/2%.

Getting 0.5% back in comps is usually impossible on FPDW.

But yeah, you're right Billy Joe, play it perfectly, and you'll earn 76 cents for every $100 in the long, long, long run. I'm guessing that game won't interest you much because most FPDW machines are single line quarter machines. And outside of Vegas, they just don't exist, and the best I can find is 99.96% APDW.

If FPDW didn't exist for decades, I doubt Deuces would be as popular as it is. In the Midwest, its DDB or the highway. Joker Poker may be even more popular than Deuces to be honest here when I unscientifically peer over at what my neighbor is playing. :)

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Post by olds442jetaway »

Deuces Wild is my favorite game to play, but unfortunately, in CT, the best paytable you will find is 15-9-4-4 and no points paid out either. I would much rather play it on a Double Down Stud machine and hope for the big payouts. I am giving up about 2% though playing that game too in the long run. At least you earn points on the Double Down Stud game and Mohegan Sun has been very generous lately with free play, perk points, dining points, shows, free gas, free rooms, etc. etc. etc....

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