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[cddenver]

 
>>>Since you've noticed it on site games as well which use a completely different RNG .........<<<<



 
 How can VP games have completely different RNGs? An RNG is a RNG, n'est pas?

 
Shadowman would be the best one to answer that, and I'm sure he will when he gets here. 
 
There isn't any way to just tell a computer to give you a random number.   The RNG's are computer programs that simulate randomness, and there's a specific term that applies to numbers generated this way - pseudo-random.  I've used them many times over the years but never written one, I'd imagine it's both a science and an art form, and there's no one correct way to write them.   Microsoft has several that are available in its software, the Flash RNG used on the site is another, and the ones in real machines are written by the game developers.  There are tests that can be run on what comes out of a given RNG to determine its effectiveness.   You could take a group of RNG's written in completely different ways, test the numbers coming out of them, and see that all of them meet a given standard of randomness.
 
The WM told us long ago that the games here use the standard Flash RNG in an unmodified form, in that it's not running continuously.  They can do that because we play for points and not $'s, plus it's a lot cheaper than writing their own.  If this was an online site where jackpots were paid out for real, the site people might take a different (more secure) approach.   

[shadowman]

Nothing much to add to what new2vp and CD have already stated. The mind will play tricks on you. Once we start looking for something it will gain our attention.
I play OEJs a lot. In that game the JH and JS are wild. When I'm playing other games I notice these jacks a lot. It seems to me like when I end up with 3oak I have jacks as kickers more often than I should (which would be a 4oak in OEJs). Of course, this really is just selective memory. The only way to determine the truth is to keep track.
 
As for RNGs they are, as CD stated, just segments of code. There are many ways to code a RNG. However, if it is really random then it should not matter what algorithm is being used.
 
Finally, keep in mind that randomness requires you will see certain combinations MORE than others over periods of time that might seem long to us but are really short when considering probabilities.
 

[royal flush]

the only reason to doubt what that guy who cheated at slots by knowing the pattern which made us doubt as he worked for the gaming control dept and recently folks who could plug many games in TED bingo and winning many big prizes

[cddenver]

the only reason to doubt what that guy who cheated at slots by knowing the pattern which made us doubt as he worked for the gaming control dept and recently folks who could plug many games in TED bingo and winning many big prizes
 
True enough.    If we're thinking of the same incident with the slot machine (the guy who was a state tester/inspector) they took care of that pretty quick.  Didn't he do time, or went to work for a game company?
 
Hypothetical situation - If I was a casino manager and saw that some of my machines were paying out more than they should over time, then even if the slot company or state testers swore up and down that the machines were working correctly I'd simply replace them.  No law against that. 

[royal flush]

yes ron harris. i do think the casinos make every effort to keep games honest. thats what is good about vp is our belief the games "shuffles" the deck completley before each game

[royal flush]

also webman will give us 10000 more credits if we lose these even though the $100 bill got stuck in the computer

[EDC1977]

 If we're thinking of the same incident with the slot machine (the guy who was a state tester/inspector) they took care of that pretty quick.  Didn't he do time, or went to work for a game company? If we're all thinking of the same cat, indeed, he did time and was barred from casino floors for figuring out sequences from a video keno or bingo machine, then a partner played them in AC and won a bunch of dunkins which raised the red flag for the casino. His current occupation, I'm not sure but he was an advisor for a security firm.

[cddenver]

If we're all thinking of the same cat, indeed, he did time and was barred from casino floors for figuring out sequences from a video keno or bingo machine, then a partner played them in AC and won a bunch of dunkins which raised the red flag for the casino. His current occupation, I'm not sure but he was an advisor for a security firm.
 
Same "cat", Ed?  Any relation? 
 
The incident I was thinking of was many years ago, possibly 10 years or more, and in Vegas.  He was beating slot machines, not any video machines.   This keyed on a pattern of coins-in, something like 2 coins, 3 coins, 1 coin, 1 coin, 3 coins that would cause a jackpot to come up.  I can't remember if he figured it out on his own or had a partner who was a programmer at the slot company.  Hm, thinking further he may have put a special game chip in one machine while he was testing it, and gave faked test results to the NGC.  Then he'd play the machine on his days off.   Saw this in a Beating Vegas show on TV.
 

[cddenver]

also webman will give us 10000 more credits if we lose these even though the $100 bill got stuck in the computer
 
I'm just glad that we're not charged a fee for each new 10K points. 

[royal flush]

yes because if all the good paytables vanish this will be the only vp many of us will play. gladly this trend seems to be stopping and reversing as casinos get a taste of their own medicine, chargin alot for rooms food and shows with the arrogance ofmaking folks tip to get to buy tickets