2 pair

[Lizzy15]

Okay.........   I get dealt  2 twos and 2 threes more than any other 2 pair combo, no matter which game I'm playing. In fact, way more than any other dealt 2 pair.How 'bout everyone else?(Please don't tell me I have selective memory, am hallucinating or am 1/2 quart low on estrogen.)

[cddenver]

Okay.........   I get dealt  2 twos and 2 threes more than any other 2 pair combo, no matter which game I'm playing. In fact, way more than any other dealt 2 pair.

How 'bout everyone else?


 
Lizzy, shhhh!  Our favorite non-member still comes by and reads posts and we don't want to give him any new ideas about rigged machines. 
 
Sounds like you mean 2 pair combos on the site games, right?  Just today, or has it been going on for a while?  I haven't noticed anything unusual. 
 
I did have something unusual happen today on the site, though - hit my first sequential RF since December of 2007.
 
This could all be part of a pattern.

[oej719]

Those training sessions are starting to pay off cd.
Do you mind if I refer to you as a guru now?
Shhhh! Need sleep.

[Nancy J.]

Okay.........   I get dealt  2 twos and 2 threes more than any other 2 pair combo, no matter which game I'm playing. In fact, way more than any other dealt 2 pair.How 'bout everyone else?(Please don't tell me I have selective memory, am hallucinating or am 1/2 quart low on estrogen.)Can't help you there, Lizzy. I forget the hand as soon as it's played. Woe is me.

[cddenver]

Those training sessions are starting to pay off cd.
Do you mind if I refer to you as a guru now?

 
They ought to be paying off, with all the $'s I've laid out for them.   Oh, well, the kids can pay for their own d**n college.  
 
No need to refer to me as a guru, "Mr. cd" will be just fine. 

[Eduardo]

Play craps for a while. 4 the hard way!

[New2vp]

Okay.........   I get dealt  2 twos and 2 threes more than any other 2 pair combo, no matter which game I'm playing. In fact, way more than any other dealt 2 pair.How 'bout everyone else?I believe you.  If you do not get confirmatory responses from others on this site, you can determine for yourself if anything fishy is happening as explained in the next to last paragraph.If 1641 hands were dealt using a perfect Random Number Generator to each of us, over all games, each of us would be dealt on average 78 2-pair hands.  I picked this number because there are 78 different types of 2-pair hands, 2-3, 2-4, 2-5,..., Q-K, Q-A, K-A.  And each of us would have one particular 2-pair hand that appeared more often than the other types.  It would not be uncommon if our most frequent combination appeared 5 or 6 times.  What would be uncommon is if that combination was the same for each person, which is why I presume you were polling others on the site as to their most frequent type of 2-pair. If your implied hypothesis is that things are not random, there are a few ways of testing this.  But before I indicate how,  I should say that your most frequent combination is a great combination for playing Double Bonus Deuces; you should make a lot of points with that game if 2233 continues to be your most frequent 2-pair hand.  So if this keeps happening, I would recommend a steady diet of DB Deuces.Then going forward, the statistical test that you can employ must be based on hands that have not yet been dealt.  Keep careful tallies of the next 50 deals ending in 2-pair and whether or not they were 2s and 3s.  If the number of 2233 hands out of the next 50 2-pair hands is 3, then you have weak evidence that the device generating the cards is not random and is tilted toward giving you an extra helping of 2s and 3s.  This result would occur only 2.6% with an unbiased RNG.  If the number is 4, you have stronger evidence, since this result (or higher) would occur only 0.39% of the time.  If the number is 5, you can be almost certain, since this extreme of a result would occur only 0.05% of the time, once in about 2200 such experiments.  Unfortunately, statistical tests like this can never determine certainty, but can give you the odds that something would happen if the underlying device were random.  When these odds seem too long, you generally conclude that the underlying device is likely not random, with the strength of your conclusion being based on how unlikely the results would be under an assumption of randomness.   Also, do not be alarmed if some other 2-pair combination appears a lot of times.  One of the combinations must end up being most frequent (unless there are ties of course).Unfortunately, testing hypotheses looking for statistical validity often takes a lot longer than it takes to form conclusions from gut-feels, but if a result is scientifically repeatable, you can assure yourself that your memory is non-selective and hormone levels are still reasonable.  Good luck and keep Double Bonus Deuces in mind to keep the RNGs honest.

[Lizzy15]

I wasn't implying anything is rigged or not random. It just happens to be that I get dealt that combo more than any other 2 pair combo, even in the casinos. It triggers my attention because I'm usually playing DDB or TDB and wonder why I just didn't get dealt 4 twos or 4 threes to make things easier. And if you're thinking I notice it more because of the game I'm playing, that doesn't pertain because I would be noticing 2 pair combos of 3's and 4's  or  2's and 4's also, which I don't see frequently at all.It was just an observation of what has been going on for a few years.

[cddenver]

It triggers my attention because I'm usually playing DDB or TDB and wonder why I just didn't get dealt 4 twos or 4 threes to make things easier.

And if you're thinking I notice it more because of the game I'm playing, that doesn't pertain because I would be noticing 2 pair combos of 3's and 4's  or  2's and 4's also, which I don't see frequently at all.

 
Lizzy, I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I was funnin' with you.  Since you've noticed it on site games as well which use a completely different RNG then I'd have to say it's a case of simply noticing card combos containing cards with importance in DDB/TDB.  In this case, kickers - four of them in the combo you mentioned.   But then, as you said, you'd see more combos with 4's and you're not noticing those.  Aces, as well.  On dealt hands I'll notice any low cards that I'm discarding (including Aces) because that cuts down the chances of hitting the quad w/kicker.  With dealt two pair, the combos I'll REALLY notice are the ones where the fifth card is a kicker, too, like 22334.
 
It takes four specific cards for a dealt quad, but eight cards (4 2's, 4 3's) that can come up in different ways for a given two card combo on dealt two pair which is why it happens more often.
 
I'd take New2vp's advice.  Make a note of how often they're occurring while you play, and think about giving Bonus Deuces a whirl - at least on the site, if it's not one of the games you play for real.
 
 
 
 

[Lizzy15]

cddenver wrote..
 
>>>Since you've noticed it on site games as well which use a completely different RNG .........<<<< 
 How can VP games have completely different RNGs? An RNG is a RNG, n'est pas?(I can't get quotes to end up in a little box.)