Video Poker for Winners LOSES money autoplaying

[Velster]

I don't understand how if I let the game go on autoplay with it selecting the best hands that it will LOSE money and make you broke every single time you let it run. This is making no sense to me at all. 

[EDC1977]

Autoplay mode selects the best hands given the deal of cards. It's not always the optimal hand but it's trying to teach the software user the best possible holds. Just because you don't always come out a winner doesn't mean it doesn't work. How many sample hands did you play through? What game are you playing? You're experiencing the downside of VP. Can you go to the casino and come out a winner every time? I think not. Study the hands and holds and try to keep the house edge to a minimum.
Remove the autoplay feature and play through a sample number of hands and check your win % vs. the autoplay win %. Good luck in your casino endeavours.

[damule]

I never purchased any of Dancer's software but I have used free trials. What I have found is that certain training levels will pound certain types of hands at you to teach the right holds. For instance, I recall a training level which was very specific in traning the proper holds for staights and straight flushes which are very difficult to master but are imperative to have a strong grasp of to be successful over the long haul.
 
Over a 50 hand training session at this particular level there may be 40 straight/straight flush draw attempts which is quite unlikely in real play. But Dancer is trying to have the user master this particular play, which over 50 hands may very well have a negative expected return. This is why on autoplay you will find the session to consistantly be a loser, but if played incorrectly it would be a larger loser.

[Velster]

Hey guys thanks for chiming in.I have the autoplay set to mixed mode and it "always" makes the correct choice. And like damule says, each training tier shoots you different types of hands to get used to. The Expert level is a lot of learning to decide between what looks like a correct 4 to straight plays vs choosing for instance KJ suited. Beginner is a lot of really obvious stuff. Right now the autoplay was at 814 hands and it's only up 10 dollars from my starting example money of 60 dollars. I know when I was playing the beginner mode the money was piling up. When I got to intermediate, I lost money no matter the correct amount of hands, and same with expert, and this also goes for if I set it to autoplay. Am I correct in assuming that the hands the intermediate and expert level tosses at you are just hands that have a worse chance of ever winning than the beginner level does? In that case I just feel very bummed now if indeed the game is playng truly fair on the autoplay and giving hands from each tier in a completely random order, and that if faced with this int he real world that after what is now 1240 hands played on autoplay with all of them being correct, I'd only be up $2. = That's a huge blow to morale to really put time into learning. I just cant imagine this to truly be the case.

[New2vp]

Most of your instincts are correct."Mixed" is the setting that gives you random deals similar to a casino machine.  VPFW divides all possible deals into one of the three groups (beginner, intermediate, and advanced) based on the difference in expected value of the best two holds for that hand.  As it turns out, many of the obvious plays, such as dealt winners (straights, flushes, trips, high pairs), are going to be allocated to the beginner category, meaning the beginner hands will make money on average, while leaving the more ambiguous initial deals that have lower expected value no matter what hold you select to either intermediate or advanced.Select a positive EV (> 100%) game like full pay deuces, Joker poker Kings or Better, 10/7 Double Bonus, then select autoplay and mixed.  You still are not guaranteed to make money, but when you select this combination, you will not be guaranteed to lose as much money as you would when you select autoplay with either intermediate or advanced.Sorry you're bummed.  You're probably not going to get rich at this game, and you're going to have more losing sessions of 1000 hands than winning sessions of 1000 hands even if you play perfectly and play only positive games.  Learning to play better is probably not going to add more than a couple percent of bets to your winnings, but 2% x 600 hands per hour is an expected $15 per hour at quarters and $60 per hour at dollars  (Your hourly take will be less than this, because when you play imperfectly, you can expect to lose money, sometimes more than the $15 or $60 increments). But it is gambling and the actual hourly rates will vary wildly.

[acvpplayer]

oh so that's why i ran 5000 dollars up to over a million at home,on vpfw constantly getting straight flushes playing 25 dollars,and at atlantic city it didn't work out,hardly any straight flushes.

[New2vp]

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[oej719]

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[faygo]

No, not again , say it isn't so!

[New2vp]

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