Ultimate X Poker

[JT]

Sorry, but I can't stand the bottom-feeders who sit there scrolling through every screen looking for the droppings left behind. I think they should set these machines so that you can only play them max bet...

[Tedlark]

[DaBurglar]

Always love to see dealt quads on this game but sadly it doesn't happen often enough.

Congrats to you.2 years ago (2012) I tried this game only a couple times for real (meaning I put a sizable starting amount in with the intent to sit and play for a while, not a few bucks just to kill time or screw around)   I spent around 900 bucks playing 25 cent Double Bonus (9/6) at Caesars-AC, and as you might guess I was slaughtered pretty horrifically.    I lost my notepad with the specific stats, but I remember the return% for my session(s) losing my 900 bucks was around 68%, maybe less........it was borderline absurd, and what's worse, the two machines on either side of me were played by other people during this time and they likewise were clobbered......I only remember one hand of note, that being quad deuces on DDB with a kicker that someone had with a multiplier playing quarters for a 800 dollar win......that was it.without getting into another "are they rigged or are they not" debate, I have found that the gimmick games in AC (Ultimate X, Quick Quads, Dreamcard, Goodtimes pay, etc.) where you must wager more than the standard bet per hand, that offer some sort of multiplier for a potential jackpot on otherwise standard hands (QQ and dreamcard notwithstanding, since they offer more standard wins instead of multipliers),   these games routinely deal busted, crapola dud hands far more than other games/machines.     Since casinos in markets like AC are struggling so badly, and since video poker in general is on their (s)hitlist as something to be constrained or even eliminated whenever business seems to suggest doing so would be a good idea, it leads people like me (and others) to continue to think that casinos will not allow (or tolerate) HUGE payouts on such games with any regularity or frequency.I can honestly say in 5 years playing in AC, I have seen only ONE huge payout on these types of gimmick games, a 8000 dollar handpay on someone who caught a 2x multiplier on royal playing $1 credits.     Given how much time I have spent in the casinos since 2009 in AC, that's pathetic.    During my time in Vegas between 1992 thru 2007, I cannot remember one time when I spent more than 3-4 hours in any single casino where I did NOT see (or actually win myself) a handpay.....now of course, I am talking about ALL video poker games with reference to Vegas, but still the point has relevance.   And this is not counting the short visits (under 2 hours), or times where I was just whizzing thru the casinos to get somewhere else, and you would see or hear someone hitting a big one........never really happens in AC.    Not even on slots really......makes you say "hmmmmm...."

[DaBurglar]

On a different not, regarding the notion of "bottom feeders" and people who troll the Ultimate X machines for crumbs........I do not have a problem with this or people who do this, so long as they do not bother me.     I liken this to people who walk around looking for money in the coin returns on TITO machines or vending machines, or scan the floor for dropped money.    Finders keepers applies to lost cash and similar tender......but NOT to lost personal items like phones, wallets, handbags or anything else like that (those items need to be turned in or returned to the owner if possible.)I believe I already told the story to the forum years ago when I first showed up, but it bears repeating on this issue (in abbreviated form).....in 2006, I experienced the worst (and thankfully ONLY such incident) of losing cash/tickets in a casino when I had a $500-plus ticket taken right out of the bartop machine I was playing in a downtown video poker bar.   It was the PLAZA, on a Saturday morning around 8am, when it was empty as it usually was during this time (back then Plaza was in sorry shape, but in February 2006 when I was there it had recently undergone new management and was starting to improve.)   I needed to go to the head, so I signalled the barkeep to watch my machine and money.....normally they would throw a napkin over the machine while you were gone, but I guess he failed to do this......while I was whizzing away, some homeless vulture swooped in and took my ticket, while the barkeep had his back turned cleaning the Margerita blender (thank you jimmy buffet)....I returned and voila!   Money was gone.    The barkeep, both embarrassed but determined to cover his ass, played dumb (not a stretch for him), while one of the more compassionate sharper waitresses immediately called security.    Sadly though, unlike strip places like the Mirage back then where your call to security is responded to within 30 seconds with guards on the scene and video tape rolling back, it took 5 minutes for the plaza "team" to respond....by the time they played the tape showing the grubby homeless guy lurking at the other end of the bar then swooping in when I left my machine to go pee, while the barkeep was gawking at the tv while fiddling with his blender, the homeless guy had cashed the ticket (at the Cage no less!  not a tito machine) and was long gone.There is more to this story but not relevant to the thread at hand, so I will end it here....my point is, as pissed and wronged as I felt, and as derelict as the barkeep was, the true fault here is mine and mine alone....I should have just taken my ticket out instead of being semi-lazy and leaving it in with the intention of returning to play some more.....even though, up until this point, it was standard practice and tradition for bartenders to watch a machine and a players money in such situations, just like you used to be able to leave your chips at a table and they would watch them.    Nowadays, however, they make it clear they hold no responsibility for such situations any longer, and it is the player's job alone to watch his money and stuff.     Obvious exception is for VIP High stakes players, but even there, a casino will replace anything lost out of COURTESY, not obligation (either legal, business or ethical.)The biggest point of all, the reason "trolls" do what they do, is simple:  it works.......sooner or later a persistent troll will find something, somewhere to make his efforts worth it, because people (like me in the above case but more likely others who are new to casinos or just naive to life in general) make mistakes and leave "crumbs and more" all around us, all the time.One last thin:  my most recent trip to AC I was put in room 222 in the Ocean Tower of Resorts (the older tower).....this room is larger than most and had a couche and love chair with several coffee tables and other furnishings (not a suite but close).......I habitually check any couch/sofa and chair for money and anything else (pens, watches, and all types of things find there way in between the cushions)......I found 10 bucks in th e couch in Resorts, and used it to buy my lunch the first day there (not blow it in one of their awful vp machines)......somehow that sandwich tasted better than normal, bought with that "bonus" ten bucks.......anyone else want to admit to searching the furniture in their rooms or suites?     How can you possibly say it is not worth it???

[jkfolmar]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]Always love to see dealt quads on this game but sadly it doesn't happen often enough.

Congrats to you.2 years ago (2012) I tried this game only a couple times for real (meaning I put a sizable starting amount in with the intent to sit and play for a while, not a few bucks just to kill time or screw around)   I spent around 900 bucks playing 25 cent Double Bonus (9/6) at Caesars-AC, and as you might guess I was slaughtered pretty horrifically.    I lost my notepad with the specific stats, but I remember the return% for my session(s) losing my 900 bucks was around 68%, maybe less........it was borderline absurd, and what's worse, the two machines on either side of me were played by other people during this time and they likewise were clobbered......I only remember one hand of note, that being quad deuces on DDB with a kicker that someone had with a multiplier playing quarters for a 800 dollar win......that was it.without getting into another "are they rigged or are they not" debate, I have found that the gimmick games in AC (Ultimate X, Quick Quads, Dreamcard, Goodtimes pay, etc.) where you must wager more than the standard bet per hand, that offer some sort of multiplier for a potential jackpot on otherwise standard hands (QQ and dreamcard notwithstanding, since they offer more standard wins instead of multipliers),   these games routinely deal busted, crapola dud hands far more than other games/machines.     Since casinos in markets like AC are struggling so badly, and since video poker in general is on their (s)hitlist as something to be constrained or even eliminated whenever business seems to suggest doing so would be a good idea, it leads people like me (and others) to continue to think that casinos will not allow (or tolerate) HUGE payouts on such games with any regularity or frequency.I can honestly say in 5 years playing in AC, I have seen only ONE huge payout on these types of gimmick games, a 8000 dollar handpay on someone who caught a 2x multiplier on royal playing $1 credits.     Given how much time I have spent in the casinos since 2009 in AC, that's pathetic.    During my time in Vegas between 1992 thru 2007, I cannot remember one time when I spent more than 3-4 hours in any single casino where I did NOT see (or actually win myself) a handpay.....now of course, I am talking about ALL video poker games with reference to Vegas, but still the point has relevance.   And this is not counting the short visits (under 2 hours), or times where I was just whizzing thru the casinos to get somewhere else, and you would see or hear someone hitting a big one........never really happens in AC.    Not even on slots really......makes you say "hmmmmm...."[/QUOTE]

Same song second verse.

[DaBurglar]

Same song second verse.Glad you liked it enough to motivate you to make YOUR FIRST POST in this entire forum....welcome whoever you really are......obviously you have been a lurker for a long time in order to make such a keen observation and contribution.....My post seconded Tedlarks point that quads do not come very often (if at all) on UltimateX games.....and since AC is the only place I have actually played or observed UltimateX being played, it has relevance.   And despite my allusions to, and your attempt to make it so, my MAIN point of this post is not to further beat the drum that AC is rigged (while simultaneously saying that Vegas is NOT rigged.)    I have been saying as of late that I reluctantly must concede that despite my horrible, statistically aberrant results in AC, and despite the numerous statements I have received from apparently clueless gaming officials and casino employees that AC VP machines return the same as slots, there is nothing conclusively wrong with AC Video Poker that allows us to say it truly is any different than Vegas.Okay????

[Tedlark]

Just to clarify, I wrote that DEALT quads don't come up often enough.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar regardless of whether you asked the bartender to watch your machine, ultimately the responsibility was still yours to bear and not the bartender's.

Remember what they say about a fool and their money.

[onemoretry]

   DaBurglar regardless of whether you asked the bartender to watch your machine, ultimately the responsibility was still yours to bear and not the bartender's.

I believe he acknowledged that fact.

[Tedlark]

I apologize. I see where he did take semi-responsibility for it right after he again said the barkeep was derelict in his duties. The barkeep would only be derelict in keeping a messy bar; in my mind he would not be derelict in not watching out for a player's money. Trust is trust but 500 bucks is 500 bucks.