Smaller VP bankroll?

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7come11
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Smaller VP bankroll?

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I'm curious how many people made good money playing VP on a regular basis? Reason I ask is I started playing regularily (about 80%) of my allocated $400 per casino trip over the past 6 months.
I tracked my win/loss and was up slightly over the course of 2006, then it went downhill to -$5000 for 2006.
Funny thing is, the first 1/2 of the year, I'd throw $20 in a machine a time or 2 each visit with most of my time playing BJ or Craps and on those occassions, I'd win frequently on the small VP allocation - hitting 4 aces several times and a couple Royals.
Am I giving this a fair try, or is your experience that you need to play more to come out ahead? Or is it time to go back to Craps/BJ with maybe $40 allocated to VP?
Thanks
 
 

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Post by shadowman »

The definition of random "lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern ". Hitting a streak of several early wins is typical in VP, however, the random nature of the game will eventually change those results. Over time your results will approach the level of your play (that is, your accuracy combined with the payback of the games you select).

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try this 100 times your master hand bet per line ,multi line or single line .expample 1.00 10 play 5.00 per line thats 50.00 per game =500.00 per session . that is what I use as a start and as an ending point 30 roughly games unless I hit a great hand like 4 aces,royal or a delt hand in a multiline game within that 30. It works for me I stay about even or little up or little down . bad luck one session makes a winning session that much better, then go home with great feeling!!!!

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Post by macaroo »

 Hitting several Quad and a couple of Royal is an extraordinary run of good luck for a couple of $20 inputs.  What you are seeing is more of the norm in VP.  I would have to ask you if you play for enjoyment of the game or for the profit? If it is for enjoyment, keep playing full pay machines at an expert level and hope for the best.  If it is for profit, you should have walked away after the run of good luck expired!

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try this 100 times your master hand bet per line ,multi line or single line .expample 1.00 10 play 5.00 per line thats 50.00 per game =500.00 per session . that is what I use as a start and as an ending point 30 roughly games unless I hit a great hand like 4 aces,royal or a delt hand in a multiline game within that 30. It works for me I stay about even or little up or little down . bad luck one session makes a winning session that much better, then go home with great feeling!!!!
 
This may be a good time to discuss the bell curve. The distribution of random events, such as VP results for a number of individuals, is described by a curve shaped like a bell. VP is not exactly defined as normal statistical distribution, so the curve is not an EXACT bell. The left end of the curve would be populated by individuals with poor results and the right end of the curve would contain those individuals with good results.
 
Now, if each individual played only a few hands the curve would be quite ragged. More sawtooth than bell shaped. As each individual played more hands each of their results would tend toward the expected return of the games they played. At this time the curve would start to look very much like a bell. Very high in the middle and low at both ends. A few individuals would be at each end of the curve with the majority close to the mean.
 
If you've been able to picture this in your mind you're doing well.
 
What's that have to do with this note? If you look at any approach based on a small number of hands, some will have success and many will lose. However, they will all eventually tend to average out. There is no magic that works every time for every gambler. The only way to have any confidence that you will do well over time is to learn correct strategy and play the very best paytables you can find.
 
 

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Post by gp00053 »

What's that have to do with this note? If you look at any approach based on a small number of hands, some will have success and many will lose. However, they will all eventually tend to average out. There is no magic that works every time for every gambler. The only way to have any confidence that you will do well over time is to learn correct strategy and play the very best paytables you can find.
 
The best advice you can get.

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Post by 7come11 »

Thanks to all, sounds like I just had some good luck on those occassional plays. I really appreciate your advice of those that are more experienced with VP than myself.
I do enjoy VP, but not to the tune of losing with a higher frequency. Profit and fun seem to go together, but I play for both reasons...if I didn't enjoy it, I surely wouldn't play.
What's crazy is I see so many players around me with large amounts of credits, often on the $1 machines.  Of course I have no idea how much the person had to put in.
Guess I'll keep trying my few shots and hope for a lucky streak. Finding a place at the craps table is sometimes one reason I'll go to VP.
 
Good luck to all

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