tinkering w/royals

[chuck arl]

there was an interesting article on 3/13 edition of gaming today newpaper addressing the possibilities of "subprograms" being installed in v.p. machines. These programs are set to payoff only when said amount of money is held by that bank of machines which pays off a progressive jackpot. Please look into this "theory" and explain it's feasability.------
----Charles Arlington------

[shadowman]

there was an interesting article on 3/13 edition of gaming today newpaper addressing the possibilities of "subprograms" being installed in v.p. machines. These programs are set to payoff only when said amount of money is held by that bank of machines which pays off a progressive jackpot. Please look into this "theory" and explain it's feasability.------
----Charles Arlington------
 
Sounds like more of Fa La La La La.... La la la la's BS. How can I put this nicely ... I guess I can't when it comes to talking about Rob so I'll leave it alone. I would advise simply ignoring it.
 
In Nevada (and many other states) it IS illegal to add secondary programming to VP machines and since just about all VP machines are manufactured in Nevada using the same components you can feel quite safe.
 
I will add that it is not impossible for someone to take a VP machine, reverse engineer it, overcome all the security protocols of the manufacturer and reprogram it to do something different. Of course, why would anyone go to this extreme when all they need to do is lower the pay table. The machines will get played just as much and the cost is significantly less.
 

[royal flush]

Fa La La La La.... La la la la does not pay attention to pay tables and EV he must work for the casinos with the worst paytables

[rascal]

I posted before that I used to date a casino assistant manager, someone who knows gaming inside and out. She once made the very interesting comment to me that everyone who offers a gaming system, unique or otherwise, brings people into the casinos. Casinos make as much off of the players who use Fa La La La La.... La la la la's system as they do off the players who use Dancer's system. So the casinos have no problem whatsoever with someone pushing a system like Fa La La La La.... La la la la's, or like Dancer's, or like Joe Blow's. As long as players will come into the casinos to try out whatever system they are interested in, the casinos make money.

[cddenver]

Here in Colorado that would be a violation of the gaming regulations - I'd assume the same would be true elsewhere.
 
One of the cable channels had a series a few years ago on gambling, and I remember a segment where a smaller game manufacturer in Nevada was caught putting out VP games with software designed to deliver fewer royals.  They were either shut down by the state, or went out of business when it came to light.  I don't remember all of the details.  Happened some years ago, in the early days of VP.

[royal flush]

thank goodnes for the nevada gaming commision rng is really random

[Eduardo]

If these machines were like home computers and casinos could put anything they want on them there is no way they would be able to be regulated and nobody would touch them. No way sir. 

[cddenver]

I'm not an expert on this, so someone might correct me if I'm wrong -
Burning game programs on chips and installing them manually is a time and labor intensive process that, from a cost standpoint, could be done more cheaply by installing hard drives in the machines and downloading upgrades that way.  I've always assumed the reason for that is a regulatory one - it's easier for inspectors to monitor.  Otherwise, those nasty casinos could keep "tweaked" game software on machines until the morning an inspector came in, download the correct software until after an inspection, then reload the "tweaked" software.
As I said, I'm not an expert.  Does anyone know more about this? (curious)
 

[MikeA]

I don't remember all of the details, but there was a big thing going on about allowing "master control" of machine payouts where the casino could change the odds on Slot Machines.  The procedure would be somewhat as has been described though it might have meant that the games were "networked" with several machines running off of one set of parameters and software.
 
I have not heard that this ever was adopted "officially" by any casino in Las Vegas, but that's where the talks were coming from.

[shadowman]

I don't remember all of the details, but there was a big thing going on about allowing "master control" of machine payouts where the casino could change the odds on Slot Machines.  The procedure would be somewhat as has been described though it might have meant that the games were "networked" with several machines running off of one set of parameters and software.
 
I have not heard that this ever was adopted "officially" by any casino in Las Vegas, but that's where the talks were coming from.
 
Last I heard it was being "tested" at a couple of casinos. Don't know what ones or exactly when the test is scheduled.