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babybubba
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Re: Fa La La La La.... La la la la's Luck

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If a machine has more cold cycles than hot, it is a function of how it performs while random--which it does most of the time. You've been educated on that point before, only your punch card era mentality and compulsion to play video poker trumps clear vision every time.
 
BTW--Nice catch on it "really being Fa La La La La.... La la la la". Next time I'll be sure to put it all in BOLD LETTERS, Sherlock!
 
Don't be so irritable--it's my last post here and you're safe now. Oh, and thank you for keeping up with your reading of my column in Gaming Today and my site. I told you no way could you look the other way!
 
 

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2. What's so misunderstood about my strategies is that they are predicated only on short-term, i.e., single session play. When it's over it's over, and a new session is begun at a lower denomination and lower volatile game. Any attempts at clumping all my play over the years together into one long-term session is misguided and irrelevant. You may do that with my losing "optimal play" years from 1990-1996, but not anytime after that.
 
 
The long term is nothing more than the sum of all the short terms.  "X" number of hands played translates to certain numbers of basic quads, bonus quads, RF's, and dry spells.  Doesn't matter how those hands played are gotten in - lots of little sessions, a fewer number of longer sessions, all played on one machine, all played on different machines.  The long term is not "irrelevant", it's inevitable.
 

3. Someone here made a comment of disbelief concerning my current Gaming Today article on how I received multiple sets of Aces on $5 BP to end four of my five sessions. What would it take to to both prove it to you AND have you come on here saying you spoke as every critic of RS does--in unsupportable  and irresponsible assertions?

 
(Shrugging) Everyone has nice runs like that.  I think that the person who made that comment was just wondering whether a run like that is typical or atypical over total play.
 


4. Regardless of all the babble, it is a fact and I know it to be true that the machines - and in strict accordance with Nv. gaming regulations - are programmed within their primary programming code, to run in hot and cold cycles.  


 
Not true.  The NV regulations say that machine play which can be duplicated in a "live" fashion - such as playing at a table with a dealer - has to give the same results (good and bad) that you'd see in live play.
 

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I don't want to get into a prolonged discussion on the machines cycles because I've done it so many times and the math people can't accept it (because imagine what accepting it would do to their sacred method of monotonous long-term play?). I've written where I was told by a game manufacturer's software engineer who programs the machines, it was thoroughly explained to me , I've seen enough verification of this fact through my play (detection of hot and/or cold cycles), and the precedence-taking clause in the regs require limits--and not theoretical limits but actual hold limits. Purposely left out was specific language on the requirement to have cycles, but it is obvious to anyone who can read, and anyone who knows how Gov'ts. write regulations knows there are various reasons for that. It all adds up in a very clean and comprehensible way--to those who aren't blinded by their own prejudices. Cold hard proof is impossible unless you work at a game manufacturer.
 
The word "cycles" implies a regularity that simply isn't there.  Good spells and dry spells come in all different shapes and sizes.  I've written my own gaming software - with no special coding to control results, just taking numbers from the RNG as they come - and I do the same amount of winning and losing with that as I do in real life.
 

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Post by babybubba »

Denver: [snipped]
I'll reply in order that you too may become more knowledgeable.
 
1. There is nothing correct about claiming the long-term is a simple sum of all short-terms with my play strategy. Given the way you support playing, you are right. Sitting there forever with no goals and no plan other than to play mirrors the math model. When I go in to play a session I look at it as if I will never play again. And since I have at least an 80% chance of winning that session--and the win will most probably be a huge winner from a higher denomination as well a much more volatile game--when I go in again the next time I have exactly the same opportunity. Those are nothing more than individual short-term bursts that have zero to do with each other. To the criticizm that my few losses will outweigh the sum of all the smaller wins, the real world says that argument conveniently forgets that there are huge winners also that can and are much bigger than any total session loss, and those winners have a much higher probability of appearing than does a session wipeout.
 

2. I can only educate people to a certain point on the hot/cold cycle issue. Most of you have limitations to your ability to openly understand it since accepting the truth would put your math & video poker world on tilt. You're also limiting your comprehension of the regulations by reading them with a one-track mind. 
 
 

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Post by oej719 »

Bubba baby how is it that you are the only one that has knowledge of machine cycles. And how exactly is one able to precisely tell what cycle it is in.  And can you do anything to make it change cycles?
 
If a machine is in a cold cycle - at that time then it is not random.
How is it within regulation , if each hand has to be as if playing at a table with a dealer?
I guess I must be missing something.

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Post by shadowman »

If a machine is in a cold cycle - at that time it is nor random.
How is it within regulation , if each hand has to be as if playing at a table with a dealer?
I guess I must be missing something.
 
You're not missing a thing. This is typical Fa La La La La.... La la la la

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Geez that guy can sure get things fired up in a hurry.
How did someone detect he is using windows 98?
 

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First, my apologies for being skeptical of whom was doing the posting. Second, the operating system is shown for everyone who is logged on-just scroll down to the bottom of the main forum page and click on active users. It will tell you what everyone is viewing.

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Post by babybubba »

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Am I the only one who knows about the cycles? Or maybe I'm the only one who's befriended a software engineer that writes code for the vp programs, and maybe I'm the only one who's talked face-to-face with the NGC about it before I signed an NDA with the manufacturer that I wouldn't write about it in my columns any more. The cycles are very easy to detect, but they do not come often. That machine I was playing at Sam's Town that kept on giving me four Aces on $5 BP was in a hot cycle--but only at the $5 level.  Unlike most of their machines, all denomination's BP is the same program but this one was not. (the last hand left on 25c/50c/$1/$2 BP was different than that of the $5 BP game). I recognized it was hot and I took advantage of it. And while all the poor slobs dressed as if they went to K-Mart and the Salvation Army stores, were at their A-D-V-A-N-T-A-G-E games of FPDW, etc. down near the movie theaters, I laughed at them as I continuosly took the hand pays. And I never pass by them without reciting "advantage players!" mockingly.
 
If you want to know how to detect the cycles there are specific ways and we'll need to chat. Anyone interested send me their number or request a meet in LV. 
 
 

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Post by bigboy »

I just have one question, Rob. If you know how to detect these cycles, why are you not keeping that information to yourself? I think one could make a hell of a lot more $$$$ mining the thousands and thousands of v.p. machines that exist everywhere these days, as opposed to trying to sell literature for small change. Considering that we know how intelligent the casino operators and game manufacturers are, you can understand why your deemed to be a plausible source.

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