vegas Vs. local casinos

[ravenbynight111]

 I feel this way about video poker i go to lake charles la. There are 2 hotels in LC and 1 other about 40 miles in kinder la. I have hit 4 royals this yearat  Lac and none at the isle of capri. I have stayed 1 at lac and 2 times at the isle the other trip I stayed at the best suites. I have never hit a royal at the isle and have only seen two people hit royals there in about 9 or 10 years of going there.In there defense i do have 1 machine that i always hit 4 aces most trips.But the bulk of my profit comes from lac.The payouts are the same at both hotels.Why do I hit the royals at lac and not the isle. The million dollar question.In reality i sould not play at the isle until they get with the program and loosen there machines. I fully think the casinos do what ever they what and the players always do not get a fair shake.When harrarhs was in Lc before katrina i hit some royals there.Just my view.

[backsider]

raven, Im pretty much in the same camp as you because these casinos are all busineses and every business does whatever it can to survive. Ive read where some hardliners swear by how casinos would never waver from their state regulations because if caught theyd be shut down blah blah blah. paranoia to the millionth degree and its a good bet these people had never owned a business. I say hogwash. The state shuts down a good sourse of tax revenue then it would be a stupid thing to do and it would never happen. Never does. No one would ever know about a tweak here or a tweak there anyhow.  Play where youve hit and stay away from the clip joints.

[shadowman]

raven, Im pretty much in the same camp as you because these casinos are all busineses and every business does whatever it can to survive. Ive read where some hardliners swear by how casinos would never waver from their state regulations because if caught theyd be shut down blah blah blah. paranoia to the millionth degree and its a good bet these people had never owned a business. I say hogwash. The state shuts down a good sourse of tax revenue then it would be a stupid thing to do and it would never happen. Never does. No one would ever know about a tweak here or a tweak there anyhow.
 
Play where youve hit and stay away from the clip joints.


 
Pure nonsense. The casinos do not even have access to the internals of a VP game. I believe most NV casinos rent the machines and return them to the manufacturer when they put in new equipment. So, you're claiming that the casinos break the seals on the chips, put in modified chips and then put the original chips back in and somehow replace the non-replaceable seal. Exactly who does this and why would these people remain silent?
 
You know, if you are going to claim a conspiracy exists it would help if you could show the mechanism. Instead you just make an unsupportable claim. Like I said, pure nonsense.

[royal flush]

also they are not going to lose their gamimg license worth millions or billions in revenue for a few dollars

[backsider]

also they are not going to lose their gamimg license worth millions or billions in revenue for a few dollars
 royalflush thats the same as claiming theyd be shut down. Never happen and everyone knows it. shadow, a sheltered life maybe? 20 years ago at my apt buildg before they modernized equipment I used to "break the seals" on my electricity meter and run it upside down so it would go backwards then reseal, and I would have been 86ed and fined if caught. It wasnt easy but I and others did it because we were having financial dificulties. So how hard is it to break a seal inside a machine (if they have one which I think you made up because you are a very argumentative person) then put a lookalike back on for the inspector that you are afraid of that never comes anyway? You must only see the world as b&W but its in living color that changes with every scene. As i said, you must not have ever been a business owner, and as i said, no big casino is going to be put out of business even if caught.

[royal flush]

then call the nevada gaming board and complain

[backsider]

then call the nevada gaming board and complain
 Complain about what? I have no poblems or issues either way.

[kjohn]

People get really uptight on this issue..so I did a little research...found this article which is interesting...It was posted in the American Casino Guide

IGT: No, IGT games operate as follows: the first five cards dealt are displayed and additional cards are taken from the top of the deck as needed. So, if you discard one card it doesn’t matter which card you discard, the draw card will be the same.

According to IGT’s first answer we know that all of the hands are generated randomly. Some people believe that the machine knows what cards it initially deals you and then it gives you bad draw cards so you won’t have a winning hand. This isn't true. The deck is shuffled randomly and then all cards are dealt and drawn in order. By the way, the number with all the zeros is 16 quintillion. Don’t feel ignorant if you didn’t know it because neither did I. Of course, when our national debt gets that high, we’ll all be familiar with it!

One other point must be made here regarding random outcomes in video poker machines. Please notice that the above answer stated gaming regulations require that the machines must have random outcomes. You should be aware that there are casinos operating in places that do not have gaming regulations. Examples are cruise ships which operate in international waters and some Indian reservations that are not subject to state regulations. You should also be aware that the technology exists for machines to be set so they do not act randomly. These machines are actually programmed to avoid giving the players better hands and they wind up giving the house a much bigger advantage. These machines are illegal in Nevada, New Jersey, Colorado and all other states that pattern their gaming regulations after those states. You may, however, come across them in unregulated casinos.

[backsider]

Thank you kjohn! What youre saying is that yes if its possible to alter the machines in one location then they can be altered anywhere anytime, against the law or not. Some people say casinos wouldnt do it when law says they shouldnt but I say they can and do because no state will shut down any revenue-producing casino unless peoples lives were at stake. Big business is big business, and what big business doesnt step over the edge now and then after weighing the consequences.

[edog743]

kjohn, what if any tribal casinos out there are unregulated. All tribes when they sign their gaming compacts with the states agree to certain regulations. All states that I know of are mirrors of nevadas regulations.