vegas Vs. local casinos

[shadowman]

Thank you kjohn! What youre saying is that yes if its possible to alter the machines in one location then they can be altered anywhere anytime, against the law or not. Some people say casinos wouldnt do it when law says they shouldnt but I say they can and do because no state will shut down any revenue-producing casino unless peoples lives were at stake. Big business is big business, and what big business doesnt step over the edge now and then after weighing the consequences.



 
No, that is not what was written. All kjohn did was describe the two different classes of machines. IGT builds both class II and class III and if you check the help text you can tell which one is being used.
 
In addition, the only places I play VP are regulated casinos. So, whatever goes on in unregulated ones (if they exist) doesn't affect me or the vast majority of players.
 
I'm still waiting for you to explain why no one would ever come forward and rat out the casinos. It's not like technicians are high paid or have any loyalty to a casino. Sorry, your claims are still pure nonsense.

[shadowman]

shadow, a sheltered life maybe? 20 years ago at my apt buildg before they modernized equipment I used to "break the seals" on my electricity meter and run it upside down so it would go backwards then reseal, and I would have been 86ed and fined if caught.
 
Not the same kind of seal. As you said 20 years have passed. I assume the technology used is far superior. The seals now are "tamper-evident" and in NV random audits of casinos are ongoing. So, the casinos will be fined and possibly have their license revoked. No reasonable casino would ever risk their license when all they have to do is legally lower a paytable to produce the same effect.

[edog743]

Backslider, stealing electricity  from the producer and supposed casinos cheating to me is one in the same. That  would you make no better than the people you accuse of cheating customers of the casino So is that not the kettle calling the pot black?

[kjohn]

Are Hackers Stealing From Video Poker Kitty?
By Larry Yellen

This was a Fox News article...Of course it is Chicago and we all know what comes out of Chicago.. If you do a Google search "can Video Poker machines be tampered with" you will find all sorts of articles...I thought the one from Fantasy Springs Co. was interesting...

Chicago - It's a video poker jackpot.

A royal flush, in clubs.

Odds are, it doesn't happen very often. But what if you could increase the odds in your favor?

Nicholas Percoco and Bob McCullen work for a company called Trustwave. They help companies around the world protect computer networks from hackers.

Video poker, don't forget, has just been legalized in Illinois. Up to 40,000 machines may soon be operating statewide, producing tax revenues of $300 million a year.

The two claim video poker machines could be tampered with where they're produced, or possibly, by repairmen who would install computer chips containing what's called "malware,". That's short for malicious software.

Using the same demonstration he displayed at a recent conference in Las Vegas, Percoco showed us how criminals who inserted the chips could then distribute counterfeit voucher cards, which when inserted into the machine would activate the malware.

It's kind of like that scheme uncovered by the FBI earlier this year where sophisticated thieves produced a 100 phony ATM cards and then hacked into a bank system to briefly eliminate limits on those ATM accounts. The thieves withdrew almost $10 million at a 135 ATMs in 49 cities around the world, including several in Chicago.

For example, the malware, when activated, could add thousands of credits to a machine...which could be cashed out for thousands of dollars.

Former Illinois gaming board investigator Jim Wagner says Trustwave's warnings don't surprise him. He was always concerned that hackers could tap into video poker games linked by networks.

“You can change the whole complex of the machine as to how it pays off and when it pays off,” Wagner said.

Opponents of video gambling, who have complained for years about the dollars it funnels to organized crime, say dollars now would be diverted into the pockets of sophisticated computer thieves.

On the other hand, the manufacturers of video poker games dismiss any such fears as nonsense
The Nevada-based Association of Gaming Equipment Manufacturers says that "millions of regulatory reviews and thousands of internal controls prove that machines offer patrons fair and honest play for their entertainment dollar.”

Trustwave, however, says it's has heard such re-assurances before and the risk is often ignored until it's too late.

Would a state give up that kind of tax revenue to protect a bunch of us gambling tourists? Hummm....

[backsider]

Backslider, stealing electricity  from the producer and supposed casinos cheating to me is one in the same. That  would you make no better than the people you accuse of cheating customers of the casino So is that not the kettle calling the pot black?
 Yes stealing is stealing and it is wrong but desperate times call for desperate measures, which was the point.  shadowman, your confidence in the human race is astonishing. Not everyone is a rat-in-waiting, especialy when theyre getting paid not to rat and to make a living. You call my belief nonsense yet you have no proof other than some hope and faith and a severe lack of business experience. kjohn, I like this part of your post  "millions of regulatory reviews and thousands of internal controls prove that machines offer patrons fair and honest play for their entertainment dollar.”Now if those arent sugarcoated loaves of baloney words put out for the sole purpose of removing focus, there are none available. Controlling damage looks way more important to these goofs than anything else.

[shadowman]

shadowman, your confidence in the human race is astonishing. Not everyone is a rat-in-waiting, especialy when theyre getting paid not to rat and to make a living. You call my belief nonsense yet you have no proof other than some hope and faith and a severe lack of business experience.
 
kjohn, I like this part of your post  "millions of regulatory reviews and thousands of internal controls prove that machines offer patrons fair and honest play for their entertainment dollar.”
Now if those arent sugarcoated loaves of baloney words put out for the sole purpose of removing focus, there are none available. Controlling damage looks way more important to these goofs than anything else.

 
My confidence has nothing to do with "the human race". It has to do with companies that want to continue making money. In other words, a normal corporate mindset. It also has to do with laws and regulations that exist for the sole purpose of keeping the gaming industry honest. Exactly what is your opinion based on? A bad nights sleep?
 
The people involved are not "goofs". They are paid lots of money to insure their product is clean can be trusted by the public. Without that trust their bottom line is placed in jeopardy. You see it really is about money, you are just confused as to how that motivation comes into play.
 

[backsider]

shadow, the more logic and reason that comes your way the more you create on the go. Just like in my example where some of us "stole" electricity for several years while a couple were eventually caught and nothing was made of it in the news to keep others from being motivated to do it, its equaly as possible that casinos have either been caught or maybe they just havent.  Product can appear clean in more ways than one to keep the trust and revenue source up. The casino industry probably more than most is run by people willing to take risks to keep their living. Just because you hope nothing is out of wack or have faith that it isnt doesnt mean its superfine. Id have to guess youve had nothing in the way of business experience and see things only as you wish they would be.

[royal flush]

nevada casinos are strictly regulated and folks from the gaming commision checking machines to make sure they are not rigged if you think they are dont play go bowling instead

[cook1947]

I,personally, have heard of 1 incident in Vegas where the machines had been "fixed" to never pay out a royal. It was at a local bar, and I believe this place lost their license and their machines taken away. I have heard of several Native American casinos in the Arizona area, refusing to pay major jackpots because of what they deemed were machine malfunctions. Years ago, in the wee hours of the morning, if you were playing, floor supervisor's would come around and open the tops of the machines, turn a key, and you could see what each machine had paid which jackpots. I have not seen that lately. Just for information, the head of the Gaming Commission in Illinois, is OPPOSED to gambling! He is the main negative voice in expanding casino's in Illinois. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Another Blagoevich super appointment.

[backsider]

nevada casinos are strictly regulated and folks from the gaming commision checking machines to make sure they are not rigged if you think they are dont play go bowling instead
 Enlightening. Could you identify where and when the machines are checked by gaming commission people, how they do it and if reports are filled out the way their suppose to or some other way that the casino wants them to? Betcha cant. Thats what Im talking about when I say sugarcoated words that fit the scenario. Im no big time player so if any machine I play is rigged then i dont much care.