What's your highest Spin Fever multiplier?

[TsuDoNihm]

I was somewhat curious as to what other people were getting for their highest multiplier in the contest. The leader board doesn't show just what they had in the spin, but I'd guess the current contest leader had 18 x 4000 for 72,000 of their 73,440 score.

I'd expect some people went into the 20's, perhaps more.

My best was 18, for which I got either the 20 or 25, (can't remember which).

Anyone get into the 20's? 30's?

[New2vp]

Shhh!

I guess everyone wants to keep their highest number a secret.  I just remember that I rarely got a number big enough to pass the leader even if I had hit 4000.  I did hit 4000 on the wheel once during the contest, but it was on the full house pointer when my full house total was zero. 

[faygo]

I have my thoughts on this game.  They are best left unsaid.

[New2vp]

I think it is an interesting game because it takes a far different strategy than normal to increase wheel chances as a part of maximizing expected return.  Since you can accumulate wheel spins, it would tempt those that like to play martingale-like strategies to accumulate more and more multipliers before the spin in an attempt to offset losses and get ahead.  They could do this withOUT the need to increase denominations.Of course, the losses that offset the unusually high wins will also be more frequent and higher, so I can see why some might choose to be very careful about playing it in a non-contest setting.This could be one of those games that is even worse for someone who is a problem gambler.  Frank, do you think this game deserves a bigger warning label than most other vp games?

[OTABILL]

I consider this game a hybrid between VP and a regular slot machine leaning more towards the latter. Regardless of how well you play VP, you are at the mercy of the wheel as you would be on any regular slot machine. Thus you could conceivably get more credits with a flush (30 + 4000) then with a royal (4000 + 20) making the paytable less meaningful in determining the value of a hand.   

[New2vp]

I consider this game a hybrid between VP and a regular slot machine leaning more towards the latter. Regardless of how well you play VP, you are at the mercy of the wheel as you would be on any regular slot machine. Thus you could conceivably get more credits with a flush (30 + 4000) then with a royal (4000 + 20) making the paytable less meaningful in determining the value of a hand.This is a little like saying the glass is 1% empty rather than 99% full.  Actually, I'm exaggerating here for effect.  I think I agree with you much more than I disagree.Of course you are right, it is possible that a flush pays more than royal flush, but that will not happen very often and it only happens because the flush pays so much MORE, with a flush payout being a good thing.  On randomly selected flushes and royal flushes, my current guess is that the flush will pay more than the royal flush with probability 0.000524 or odds of a little more than 1900 to 1.The royal flush is for certain worth less per coin since it takes 8 coins to average a royal flush payoff of 4138.6, about 517 per coin rather than the usual 800 per coin.  Ok, that's 35% empty where the royal flush is concerned.  But it is offset by the chances to win bigger on lesser hands.  (Most of the games that require 6 or 7 coins per hand continue to pay only 4000 for the royal, so the watered down royal payoff is responsible for the increase in payoffs on other more frequent hands.)  And the downside here is biggest for those hands that pay NOTHING (about 60% of the time).  Now, we are losing 8 coins where we used to lose 5, so the downs are going to be up to 60% worse, leading to more uncomfortable levels of losses, when you are not hitting the big ones.  Certainly the wheel spin is more like a slot machine as you say, but the extra 30 coins pay somewhere between 99.45% and 101.94% on the games at this site.  The average for the 6 games is 100.17%.  That is a fairly good slot machine return.And I agree with you that the video poker portion of the pay schedule is less meaningful.  It is certainly more variable.  But if you add in the extra value of the wheel to the flush or better payoffs, you can still use the augmented payoff schedule to form a video poker-type strategy to guide your play.With Spin Fever, the offset to the increased loss on garbage hands is offset by 4000+ coin hits occurring 4 to 5 times more often on these games.*Bottom line:  I do enjoy playing the game because the strategy is a bit different from other video poker games (I also like Quick Quads with or without the Wheel for the same reason), which reduces boredom somewhat.  But I would probably play this one at a lower denomination than other video poker in a casino to try to mitigate** the variability.*excluding TDB.  The TDB base game already has about 4 times the number of big hits that the other base games do.  The TDB Spin Fever game increases that from 4 to 7 times the number of big hits of the other base games.  So Spin Fever TDB has "only" 66% more 4000+ hits than does the TDB base game.**No, spx.  Before you ask, "mitigate" is not a scandal involving Republican presidential candidate Romney! 

[OTABILL]

[QUOTE=OTABILL]

I consider this game a hybrid between VP and a regular slot machine leaning more towards the latter. Regardless of how well you play VP, you are at the mercy of the wheel as you would be on any regular slot machine. Thus you could conceivably get more credits with a flush (30 + 4000) then with a royal (4000 + 20) making the paytable less meaningful in determining the value of a hand.This is a little like saying the glass is 1% empty rather than 99% full.  Actually, I'm exaggerating here for effect.  I think I agree with you much more than I disagree.Of course you are right, it is possible that a flush pays more than royal flush, but that will not happen very often and it only happens because the flush pays so much MORE, with a flush payout being a good thing.  On randomly selected flushes and royal flushes, my current guess is that the flush will pay more than the royal flush with probability 0.000524 or odds of a little more than 1900 to 1.The royal flush is for certain worth less per coin since it takes 8 coins to average a royal flush payoff of 4138.6, about 517 per coin rather than the usual 800 per coin.  Ok, that's 35% empty where the royal flush is concerned.  But it is offset by the chances to win bigger on lesser hands.  (Most of the games that require 6 or 7 coins per hand continue to pay only 4000 for the royal, so the watered down royal payoff is responsible for the increase in payoffs on other more frequent hands.)  And the downside here is biggest for those hands that pay NOTHING (about 60% of the time).  Now, we are losing 8 coins where we used to lose 5, so the downs are going to be up to 60% worse, leading to more uncomfortable levels of losses, when you are not hitting the big ones.  Certainly the wheel spin is more like a slot machine as you say, but the extra 30 coins pay somewhere between 99.45% and 101.94% on the games at this site.  The average for the 6 games is 100.17%.  That is a fairly good slot machine return.And I agree with you that the video poker portion of the pay schedule is less meaningful.  It is certainly more variable.  But if you add in the extra value of the wheel to the flush or better payoffs, you can still use the augmented payoff schedule to form a video poker-type strategy to guide your play.With Spin Fever, the offset to the increased loss on garbage hands is offset by 4000+ coin hits occurring 4 to 5 times more often on these games.*Bottom line:  I do enjoy playing the game because the strategy is a bit different from other video poker games (I also like Quick Quads with or without the Wheel for the same reason), which reduces boredom somewhat.  But I would probably play this one at a lower denomination than other video poker in a casino to try to mitigate** the variability.*excluding TDB.  The TDB base game already has about 4 times the number of big hits that the other base games do.  The TDB Spin Fever game increases that from 4 to 7 times the number of big hits of the other base games.  So Spin Fever TDB has "only" 66% more 4000+ hits than does the TDB base game.**No, spx.  Before you ask, "mitigate" is not a scandal involving Republican presidential candidate Romney! 
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Thanks for your enlightening response. I would never have
guessed  the payback for Spin Fever would
be about 100% based on optimum play.

[New2vp]

[QUOTE=New2vp]Certainly the wheel spin is more like a slot machine as you say, but the extra 30 coins pay somewhere between 99.45% and 101.94% on the games at this site.  The average for the 6 games is 100.17%.  That is a fairly good slot machine return.Thanks for your enlightening response. I would never have
guessed  the payback for Spin Fever would
be about 100% based on optimum play.[/QUOTE]Please make sure you understand that I did NOT mean that the Spin Fever games were 100% on the entire bet.  I can see how you would have got that impression from what I wrote.When I said the "extra 30 coins," I was talking about only about funding the wheel spin with the extra coins on 10-play, which is what I usually play, but I see I didn't specify 10-play in my post.  The first 50 coins for 10-play on the base games on this site average a return of 98.15%.  Then the extra 30 coins average 100.17% as I originally said, but you cannot bet the 30 extra coins without also betting the 50 coins for the base game.  I was suggesting that the portion of the bet that you likened to a slot machine was returning 100.17%, but did not mean that the entire Spin Fever game returned more than 100%.Putting those together for the games on this site, the returns for an 80-coin bet on 10-play range from 98.09% (for Bonus Poker) to 99.66% (for Double Bonus Poker), averaging over the six games to 98.91%.  These same returns occur with both 3-play and 5-play.Hopefully this clarifies what I meant in the earlier post.

[New2vp]

It is hard enough to learn, retain and employ the intricacies
of correct strategy for DDB.  My wife and
I are recreational VP devotees who play occasionally. We do not want  to devote the time and effort needed to master
the strategy for different VP variations (except perhaps TDB)  let alone the unique anomalies in the strategy
for Spin Fever, even the DDB version.I can understand people not being interested in playing these games for the same reason that I enjoy them.  You are in good company here.  I often see Bob Dancer writing that he likes new games better when they do NOT have different strategies than the base games.

[OTABILL]

[QUOTE=OTABILL]It is hard enough to learn, retain and employ the intricacies
of correct strategy for DDB.  My wife and
I are recreational VP devotees who play occasionally. We do not want  to devote the time and effort needed to master
the strategy for different VP variations (except perhaps TDB)  let alone the unique anomalies in the strategy
for Spin Fever, even the DDB version.I can understand people not being interested in playing these games for the same reason that I enjoy them.  You are in good company here.  I often see Bob Dancer writing that he likes new games better when they do NOT have different strategies than the base games.
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One of the things that sets us apart as human beings is that
we all have different perspectives on everything from religion to politics to
what is enjoyable as a hobby, sport, or in the context of this forum, variation
of video poker. I personally enjoy fishing. My wife does not. Both of us do not
golf or play bridge unlike friends and relatives who are passionate about these
activities. Many people abhor any type of gambling.