Recreational Player Perspective

[brmcc74]

The following is soley my opinion and not directed at any one person.
I feel like if we separate and catagorize players then these postings would be much more boring.  I think that the more opinions that are sharred, the more knowledge is gained. If everyone is put in a box then there will be no fun combative conversation. Im not going to argue with anyone but I still myself doubt that a living can be made today soley on playing vp. I do believe however that a person can closley break even playing the right games.  Most people arent going to make the type of sacrifices and dicipline that it takes to seek out these better options. With that being said, I feel like Its your $ spend it how you like. Live and let live on both sides

[FloridaPhil]

What this forum should be about is asking questions and/or discussing the entire video poker experience without receiving a long dissertation on randomness or some other vague esoteric response.  There is much more to playing video poker and the entire casino experience than numbers.   If you're really not interested in openly discussing a particular posted topic, don't reply.   If you're an expert professional gambler and consider recreational gamblers as pawns or suckers, be thankful we are paying your bills. 

[New2vp]

What this forum should be about is asking questions and/or discussing the entire video poker experience without receiving a long dissertation on randomness or some other vague esoteric response.  There is much more to playing video poker and the entire casino experience than numbers.   If you're really not interested in openly discussing a particular posted topic, don't reply.   If you're an expert professional gambler and consider recreational gamblers as pawns or suckers, be thankful we are paying your bills.  Gee, Phil.  I guess I was under the mistaken impression that we already had a forum moderator.  Is that still part of Webman's job?  Or have you taken over here?

[FloridaPhil]

Not really. I'm just trying to get this forum to a more interesting place.  This website has a huge number of members who play the games.   Some of them get up the nerve to post here, then get a degrading reply or a long rambling technical dissertation that is frankly boring and meaningless to most players.  They never come back and we are left with the same old topics or blank posts for days at a time.  I'm interested in being part of an active and informative VP discussion, whatever the topic.   I have thick skin, so if you think I'm out of line ... go for it. 

[New2vp]

No problem.  It is generally not my intent to insult you or anyone (I may have violated that intent somewhere in the 1000+ posts, but I think generally that was when someone else fired the first shot!).  That is not to say that someone might not take something differently than I offered it.I do think that in asking for others to be more tolerant, it may be a bit hypocritical to practice intolerance ourselves.I don't mind reading things that I disagree with...or skipping things that have been discussed ad nauseum before.  I personally am most interested in seeing things that have NOT been discussed before...or at least with a new slant.  When I think I have a new slant and have the time is when I am most likely to post.  (Or if I just want to shout out to a long-time poster like faygo, Tedlark, shadowman or lots of others).   My threshold is higher now because I have less time.Have a good time watching the Super Bowl (if you are into football or commercials)!  I can hope your team wins (if you favor one over the other) because I don't have a rooting interest or a direct bet on the game!  I do hope Crabtree catches 3 or 4 touchdown passes only because I do have a fantasy bet that currently has an EV of less than $1, but with miracle results could possibly increase in value more than a hundredfold.

[Tedlark]

  Phil how do recreational gamblers pay the expert professional gambler's bills?

[FloridaPhil]

Quote from Bob Dancer's book Million Dollar Video Poker page 223.  "It's because of people like you that the MGM can offer games from which I can prosper".  Bob was talking here about bad play, not recreational play, but I think he would consider playing negative expectation games as bad play.  If you are a recreational player and you only play positive expectation games perfectly, you are not paying Bob's bills unless you are paying him for lessons.  

[Tedlark]

  Thanks for the response Phil. I personally have not purchased Mr. Dancer's written work so I wouldn't have been able to use it as a resource. I may disagree with your substituting bad play with recreational play in order for you to back up your statement but I will agree with how you followed it up. I only like to pay those bills that I create and no one elses.

[sam434343]

1.Bad play donates to casino,2, Pro's donate to casinos bad months(win more than they lose)do win in long run but in all of the great U.S. of America there are less than 500, and 3.recrerational players donate $$$ It dosn't take a rocket scientist,or the math guro's. remember all math,(1234)letters,(ABCD)ect.ect.ect. was created by man/woman  if you want pull the trump card (God) he dose not gamble only when he created human did he gamble. I feel sorry for him. You need to take more money in (casinos) than you pay out and all the above 1 2 3 and yes number 2 gave less and took more from casinos. but the others all paid your salaries like it or not,with out them all video poker machines would disappear,casino could only lower the pay tables so low that even Rec. players would not play them. So all Pro.s know its 1 and 3 that pay there salaries. If not you are only fooling yourself.   

[Quad Deuces]

Not all people who have consistently positive results are "pros".I don't think of myself as a pro, though I do approach VP as a part-time job.