7000 New VP Machines for Caesars

[olds442jetaway]

If anyone knows a good cure for a failing short term memory, I would love to know. Wife of course says it is " selective" failure. If anyone however wants to know the odometer reading on my 1953 Chevy when I bought it in 1970, I could tell you...

[Tedlark]

If anyone knows a good cure for a failing short term memory, I would love to know. Wife of course says it is " selective" failure. If anyone however wants to know the odometer reading on my 1953 Chevy when I bought it in 1970, I could tell you...

  What? Huh? What were we discussing again?

[olds442jetaway]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway]If anyone knows a good cure for a failing short term memory, I would love to know. Wife of course says it is " selective" failure. If anyone however wants to know the odometer reading on my 1953 Chevy when I bought it in 1970, I could tell you...

  What? Huh? What were we discussing again? [/QUOTE]

Just picked up on a couple of words from your post a couple of lines below. ( failing memory). Back to vp I guess. I think that is what we were talking about.

[onemoretry]

I have no problem calling video poker a "skill-based slot" which is what New Jersey actually calls video poker because I can interpret the law appropriately and the law implies that payback is solely determined by the paytable. I'd prefer it was spelled out more clearly in the regulations of course like Nevada or Mississippi for example, but it's sufficient for anyone with a reasonable knowledge of mathematics and logic. I have given up trying to convince him though.

He seems to think that if he repeats what is only his personal opinion often enough, it will change from being his personal opinion to fact.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Vman96] I have no problem calling video poker a "skill-based slot" which is what New Jersey actually calls video poker because I can interpret the law appropriately and the law implies that payback is solely determined by the paytable. I'd prefer it was spelled out more clearly in the regulations of course like Nevada or Mississippi for example, but it's sufficient for anyone with a reasonable knowledge of mathematics and logic. I have given up trying to convince him though.

He seems to think that if he repeats what is only his personal opinion often enough, it will change from being his personal opinion to fact.[/QUOTE]
Laws/regulations are only effective when they are enforced.

[Vman96]

Laws/regulations are only effective when they are enforced.

Oh I definitely agree! If da burglar said AC casinos were breaking state law by rigging the machines, then I wouldn't be arguing so much with him over it.

And with the results he claims, they have to be rigged to get those results! But he keeps saying it is perfectly legal for AC casinos to do this, and that is what really bugs me.

[ko king]

I'm in the mood to throw my two cents worth in right now so I'll jump into the conversation. First question, what is any casino/corporation's main objective? Second question, who writes the rules and regulations concerning the gaming industry in every state? Third question, who creates the programs for the vp games and who are these programs created for? Forth question, who approves the programs? Fifth question, do you trust that all corporations/industries will do the right thing when it comes to looking out for customers or do you think certain corporations/industries might look for ways to expand their profit margin? Sixth and final question, do you trust the relationship between corporations and government whether it be state or federal?

[onemoretry]

Oh I definitely agree! If da burglar said AC casinos were breaking state law by rigging the machines, then I wouldn't be arguing so much with him over it.

And with the results he claims, they have to be rigged to get those results! But he keeps saying it is perfectly legal for AC casinos to do this, and that is what really bugs me.

That's pretty much what I was going to say in my next post.

[DaBurglar]

He seems to think that if he repeats what is only his personal opinion often enough, it will change from being his personal opinion to fact.
  well, NO, that is not what I THINK, but thanks for sharing YOUR OPINION on this matter.... Look, I have repeated myself and spilled enough of my own experience and details to have the expectation that, if someone wants to engage with me on this issue they not misrepresent or misquote me, or present only HALF the story or a portion of what I said. its a large widespread issue, and everything i have said and written is based on my own personal experience.....my play results, my conversations and input from casino employees and gaming control office personel, and the input and observations of other players and residents in AC.....even the cab drivers have insight on this!   And I have talked with all of them, many times, asking all the important relvant questions, over and over....and this is what I have concluded, what I have shared with you all up to now....  I am hoping (praying even lol) that someone somewhere, either here or in my visits to AC, will come along and show me convincingly that video poker in AC is just like Nevada......sadly, as of right now, it has not happened, and in fact, I have all this other "proof" or evidence that suggests what I have been saying.......now, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE END OF THE ISSUE, NOR IS THIS ALL THE PROOF THERE IS....it is just what I have found up to now.    And the fact that I have extensive experience playing in Vegas and Nevada and saw that video poker there is indeed legit, and having seen such POLAR opposite results in AC, combined with what people have stated about how things are set up and done in AC, combined with what they also WILL NOT SAY about how video poker works in AC, leads me to my current conclusion(s).     I WANT to be wrong about this, but I cannot ignore reality.... VMAN:  as I said before, I respect what you say and HOW you say it.....I actually do not believe this is "OK" for AC to do what they are doing, I am just conveying what I see and have heard is in fact the actual practice.....dont forget, for the first two plus years playing in AC, as I saw these results unfolding, I persisted because i simply accepted the "reasonable" notion that I was just unlucky.....after an additional year and half and extensive prying and asking and analyzing, I now believe it is not just BAD LUCK but something more systemic.    MAYBE you are right, maybe AC casinos are breaking their own rules....the place is so screwed up in so many other ways, that BILLYJOE's observation about enforcement and all that is relevant.  I know beyond indisputable fact that the NJ gaming commission has been gutted the last 5 years and much of its former duties have been parcelled out to other state agencies.   Heck, the people in the gaming office on Tennessee avenue looked shellshocked the 5 or 6 times I visited them, like they were either totally overwhelmed (or overworked) and didnt know what was coming next.....in fact, when I first went in there on my first visit, the woman who greeted me eyed me with trepidation, like I was there to relieve her or deliver some type of horrific news....when I said I was a "visitor and casino patron looking for info" you should have seen the relief and instant mood lift she exhibited!    Probably explains why they were so helpful and "chatty", I dunno....  

[BillyJoe]

I'm in the mood to throw my two cents worth in right now so I'll jump into the conversation. First question, what is any casino/corporation's main objective? Second question, who writes the rules and regulations concerning the gaming industry in every state? Third question, who creates the programs for the vp games and who are these programs created for? Forth question, who approves the programs? Fifth question, do you trust that all corporations/industries will do the right thing when it comes to looking out for customers or do you think certain corporations/industries might look for ways to expand their profit margin? Sixth and final question, do you trust the relationship between corporations and government whether it be state or federal?
If i am not mistaken, in most states, in non-tribal casinos, the Gaming Control Agencies are independent entities, there for the protection, among other things, of the gaming patons.
 
A few years ago, New Jersey merged it's Gaming Control into the same department that collects the tax revenue from the casinos. Hardly an independant agency.