Cheating scandal

[pokerforme]

some people take themselves way to serious

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]   And your brother has some of the counterfeit chips? Topper...
 
 
show me where i said THAT please, seriously.    dont type anything else, just find the post where you claim I said that and copy/paste it[/QUOTE]
  I didn't claim anything, I fell on some ice early this morning and I hit my head, I must be suffering from a mild concussion. My apologies for the confusion sir.

[JIMDUECE`SWILD]

Here's the latest.. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/comm ... f887a.html http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... _pipe.html

[Tedlark]

  Thanks for posting these articles Jim, I guess not only did the excess chips get flushed down the toilet but so did his poker career? So the chips were discovered outside Borgata and when they were notified by Harrahs the tourney was suspended. Great reads, thanks again.

[DaBurglar]

Guy looks like a member of the Allman brothers.......what an idiot.   Funny story though about being undone by "turds" leaking out of Harrahs pipe!  Funny except for the 27 people who got screwed, like I said before I hope Borgata does right by them, because if any of you have actually seen the Phony chips, they dont look anything like the real chips, the color is so obviously different!   Borgata deserves some of the blame here, but fortunately for them it was solved pretty quickly.....  On a side note, back in September just after labor day, I was in Harrahs with my Mother and we noticed back then there was a foul odor in part of the casino (when you walk PAST the poker room and before you get to the Coffee & bake shoppe, that stretch of corridor smelled like sewage and they had all the doors open so the wind off the marina could hep diffuse the odor.   I think the pipe problems were forming back then and the guy's chips were the straw that broke the camels back.   He must have got really nervous and flushed all of them at the same time!

[Tedlark]

  Quality information DaBurglar, thank you for sharing.

[JIMDUECE`SWILD]

Hear comes the lawsuit.http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news ... 963f4.html 

[DaBurglar]

Hear comes the lawsuit.http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news ... 963f4.html Wow, first I have read of this lawsuit!     I think Borgata really is at fault here (along with obviously the idiot who tried to cheat)......one thing that has never been answered or adequately addressed is this:In a tournament such as this, during each break, tournament officials and personnel are supposed to go around and "Color up" and count the chips remaining in the stacks of the players who are remaining in the tourney.....if this had been performed properly like it should have, then this scandal would have been uncovered MUCH MUCH sooner and perhaps would have allowed the Borgata to contain both the damage to itself / its tournament, and the damage to the 27 chip leaders (and,thusly, BIG MONEY WINNERS) remaining who never got paid.    The main problem in this whole scenario, as far as the Gaming board and the Borgata is concerned, is that the scandal was not discovered until SO MANY people had already been paid and cashed/collected their prize money......that money was all GONE, and when you consider the fact that 4000 entrants each paid $560 bucks for a 2 million dollar prize pool, and that roughly 600 plus of the 4000 actually "make the money" (i.e. get paid something), starting with a typically minimal payout of twice the buy in so in this case, the first person who cashed out would have made $1000 minimum, all the way down to 28th place, its entirely possible that almost 35-40% of the total prize pool would already have been paid out!   If they could have nailed this right when chips that are phony first showed up in the count (which is what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED and from now on WILL HAPPEN), this could have been handled so much more easily and cleanly, and it would likely have been easier to find the guilty culprit right away!

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I have never played in a poker tournament but from what I have watched on television, ESPN, the coverage is excellent, the players don't "color up" to the larger denomination chips until well into the tournament. The discovery of $800,000.00 in counterfeit chips, 160 chips, that were clogging the toilet means that the chips were $5,000.00 denomination chips. There is a possibility that there weren't enough $5,000.00 chips put into play yet in the tournament to mask the infiltration of the counterfeit $5,000.00 chips.  

[DaBurglar]

you start with a couple 5000 chips from the very beginning in a tourney like this.....everyone has them from the get go,  in their initial stack of 20k or 30k chips (depending on how much the starting chip count is, and whether or not this is a deep stack tourney or not.I am sure he introduced the chips one or two at a time, real subtle, probably palming a chip or two and then when he won a pot, placed it into the mess of chips as he scraped them toward himself.       Who knows, they are still investigating and they still are not completely certain of how he did this......but in addition to the 160 chips he actually snuck into the game, he had THOUSANDS MORE .You cannot tell anything from watching ESPN, they only show a fraction of what transpires and they skip all the boring administrative stuff like what I am talking about, chip counts and coloring up, etc.    The point of all this is Borgata no doubt definitely dropped the ball here......if they had followed proper tourney procedure they should have caught this guy long before the damage was done to the extent it was.Eventually, in a tourney of this size, the 5k chips would be removed from play altogether as the blinds increased and the ante increased