ALL STAR POKER machines

[DaBurglar]

I am talking about the original ALL STAR machines, not the current new "ALL STAR II" server based games.The menu of the original All Star machines has games like CHase the Royal,  FIVE ACES  ,  along with standard fare like triple play 5 play and 10 play, as well as Supertimes pay.....They also have one game called "BONUS HAND(s) POKER"  whereby you play three handed your choice of JOB, Bonus, DB or DDB, and every paytable is bastardized by having three of a kind only pay 10 instead of 15.......and this is due to the game feature that gives out 3 bonus hands for every DEALT two pair, three of a kind, straight, flush or full house.  You pay 10 credits per hand, just like dreamcard.There are other names for this game besides "Bonus Hands Poker" but I dont care about that......what I do care about is how rigged this game appears to be.I have watched several players play it at TAJ MAHAL in AC, and I myself played it the last few visits to AC.   I just wanted to try something new.......I will never play it again.... Not only does the game NOT give you any good hands to start, but in the few instances you actually do earn some bonus hands, those bonus hands NEVER materialize into anything good.Seems, just like dreamcard, that this gimmick game is designed to just eat the bankroll as fast as possible and return nothing to the player.ANyone else here have experience with this game?

[Tedlark]

  Not me, I'm not stupid enough to play it.

[Vman96]

I just noticed this at the Blue Chip the other day in the high limit room with 9/5 JoB. But you do NOT pay 10 credits a hand, only 5. If you had to pay 10, this game would really suck since the devaluing of the 3 of a kind from 15 to 10, takes care of it alone. Devaluing the game down from 98.45% to 91.01% before any bonus.

This leads to a 7.44% difference...but, a dealt 2 pair or better should occur 7.63% of the time. And they allow you to generate retriggers up to 100 free hands, which means you get free hands 8.25% of the time for every hand you pay for. So now you should get 1.0825 hands for every paid hand, leading to a return of (0.9101)(1.0825) = 98.53%.

Of course this all depends on random deals/draws, which I have no reason to believe doesn't exist in Indiana. But I have never bothered to actually try this game though. God knows I'm not spending $15 per hand to try a 98.5% game.

[DaBurglar]

I just noticed this at the Blue Chip the other day in the high limit room with 9/5 JoB. But you do NOT pay 10 credits a hand, only 5. If you had to pay 10, this game would really suck since the devaluing of the 3 of a kind from 15 to 10, takes care of it alone. Devaluing the game down from 98.45% to 91.01% before any bonus.

This leads to a 7.44% difference...but, a dealt 2 pair or better should occur 7.63% of the time. And they allow you to generate retriggers up to 100 free hands, which means you get free hands 8.25% of the time for every hand you pay for. So now you should get 1.0825 hands for every paid hand, leading to a return of (0.9101)(1.0825) = 98.53%.

Of course this all depends on random deals/draws, which I have no reason to believe doesn't exist in Indiana. But I have never bothered to actually try this game though. God knows I'm not spending $15 per hand to try a 98.5% game.

Ok you know what Vman, although you have expressed total disdain for me and my opinionated posts in the past, I know on at least one instance I expressed appreciation for the tact you often take, and your math aptitude and inclusion of it into your well reasoned responses.   Its funny how I take a lot of schlock for using vocabulary that is clearly over certain heads here, while you utilize math into your responses that I am also certain whizzes straight over a lot of the same heads....I am glad you made this response because you actually just brought something to my attention that I had overlooked.....when I (hastily I now admit) first analyzed and did the math in my head for the game at TRUMP that I played (which does indeed only give 10 credits for a 3-of-a-kind, at 25 cent denom though) I came away with a return different than what you CORRECTLY calculated....I dont know where I went wrong, but I did not come up with 98.5%  (it was lower.)    Still, I am sad to say, in AC, 98.5% actually is NOT  all that bad given what else is around.   But I agree with your statement about $1 and up versions of this game, far too pricey, and for what?   You are better off just playing a multi-hand game that has no gimmicks.

[BillyJoe]

If we are talking about the same game, and I am not sure we are, I have played the Bonus Hands game quite often, and very successfully. It did not take additional coins, but it did shrink the lower payouts. Clearly, you are playing for quads, a habit that I certainly possess.

[Tedlark]

Billyjoe beside playing for quads what other nasty habits do you possess? Lol...

[Casino Knight]

As I don't recall downloading software for VP.com, aren't all the free games here, Server Based?

DaBurglar, do you have the same results playing here as you do in Atlantic City?

[BillyJoe]

Billyjoe beside playing for quads what other nasty habits do you possess? Lol...
It is up to others to determine whether my other habits are nasty. I don't think so, but ....

"well, opinions vary" (Dalton - Patrick Swayze in RoadHouse)

[Tedlark]

As I don't recall downloading software for VP.com, aren't all the free games here, Server Based?

DaBurglar, do you have the same results playing here as you do in Atlantic City?
   CK considering that DaBurglar has played less than 100,000 hands since the point system was started here it doesn't appear that he plays much on this site. Hopefully he will answer though.

[DaBurglar]

As I don't recall downloading software for VP.com, aren't all the free games here, Server Based?

DaBurglar, do you have the same results playing here as you do in Atlantic City?I dont play much on this site, as my shadow/stalker already pointed out....But the few hands I have played I have mixed amongst a bunch of games I normally never play in casinos, like Ultimate four of a kind, 100 hand quick quads, and a few others.  the results were unremarkable one way or the other, which is actually an improvement over what I usually experience in AC.But one game on this site I recently played was in fact the DREAMCARD 5 and ten hand game.   I played this game BEFORE I made the now infamous post about dreamcard being a very unfriendly game to play at multihand levels, which prompted a mudslide from the usual purveyors of mud on this site,   BUT it was the crappy results I experienced playing this game on this site, which mirrored the results I have seen from this game in the TAJ AC, which prompted me to make my post regarding it.....Now, to be fair and honest, the session(s) of 10 hand dreamcard DDB I played just before I made that post were lousy, I hit almost nothing and the dreamcard was extremely scarce in appearing.    BUT then, about a day and a half ago, I played 10 hand dreamcard DDB on this site again, and had good results.....I was dreamcarded four kings very early into the session for a 2500 credit hit, and then pretty regularly throughout the next 30-45 minutes of playing I would get a dreamcard activation on the deal which would give me three of a kind before the draw, and then I would hit at least one quad (sometimes two) on one of the ten hands I was playing, thus keeping me on the positive side throughout the session,  so that I finished up about 1200 credits (which if I was playing 25 cent like I always do means about 400 bucks profit)   Not a windfall by any stretch, but still wayyyyyy ahead of what I usually see from the game in TAJ AC when either myself, or others play.As I stated before, it is/was the multihand versions of dreamcard I find far too volatile to make playing on a regular basis feasible,   However, the SINGLE line version of dreamcard, which to my knowledge only exists on the 5 star machines, is a fun and financially feasible game to play, and I had limited success on the one that USED to exist in Caesars AC, before they threw it out and replaced it with all the uncomfortable "new" machines.