Nice Jackpot Makes Lady Mad

[Lucky Larry]

On our last trip, a gentleman down from me was playing 50¢ - 5 hand STP when I arrived. He is a regular, he eventually caught a 10X and held a pair of 3's and caught a hand pay for $4800+. I congratulated him and his reply was he had made up his loss and was now up. He continue playing and when I left he told his friend he was down for the day.

[FloridaPhil]

From my experience this is completely normal. Before I changed the way I play, I have seen trips where I got a max coin Royal and still came home a loser.  What really did it for me happened last fall and it started me playing the way I do.   I decided to play all day long at single coin quarters to see what would happen.  I started with my usual $250 stake and had the most incredible day you could imagine. I played 8/5 DDB which is the best DDB game we have in Florida.  Anyway, I got 4 sets of 4 Aces that day, two of them with a kicker and more 4-of-a-kinds than I had ever seen before.  It was some wild ride.  The results... dead even for the day.  I got to thinking about this and determined that the results would have been exactly the same if I had been playing max coin dollars (didn't get a Royal) or even $100 a coin.   The only thing that we kid ourselves into think is a win is when we cash out at some point in the downward slide of our wallets. There is absolutely no way to keep from losing long term on a negative game playing traditional strategy!  Over time, I determined that the only way to actually keep a profit was to hit jackpots at a higher denomination than I normally play and not give it back. That is the premise of the cheap video poker strategy. 

[alpax]

Was wondering if the $5 denomination Deuces Wild had a better paytable (I see Illinois Deuces) than the 25 cent or $1 one. I have not read too much into the details of the system, but I know it starts with one coin play and works your way up to 5 coin when sensing a good streak. If the paytables are the same, is it better to play 5 coin at $1 denom than 1 coin at $5 denom because of the royal flush payout?

BTW. Good hit, any day you win $1000 is good no matter what.

[FloridaPhil]

Please read through my website in its entirety. Many visitors to this forum post comments about my strategy that have obviously not found out what It's really all about.  That said, I am of two opinions on the subject of max coin dollar play vs. single coin $5 play.  The numbers say it's better to play the max coin dollars by about 2%.   This is only true if you hit a Royal, which happens on average about every 45,000 hands or so in deuces. A max coin quad deuce is much more common because you have a 9 times the chance of hitting one.  I make most of my profits on quad deuces, not royals. I think it's better to treat all wins as wins and forget about what might have happened.  Also, and here's where we get into controversy, I think the machines in the high limit slots pay better even with the same pay schedule.  I know it's stupid, but it just seems to work that way for me.  In addition, stopping the game and changing the denomination has a tendency to kill the streak.   I don't get it, but that's the way it is in my world. My advice would be to go with max coin dollars.  Keep in mind that I do not play $5 a hand all day.  I only do this $20 at a time and only when I'm ahead at the end of the day, which is often. 

[alpax]

<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt">Please read through my website in its entirety. Many visitors to this forum post comments about my strategy that have obviously not found out what It's really all about.  That said, I am of two opinions on the subject of max coin dollar play vs. single coin $5 play.  The numbers say it's better to play the max coin dollars by about 2%.   This is only true if you hit a Royal, which happens on average about every 45,000 hands or so in deuces. A max coin quad deuce is much more common because you have a 9 times the chance of hitting one.  I make most of my profits on quad deuces, not royals. I think it's better to treat all wins as wins and forget about what might have happened.  Also, and here's where we get into controversy, I think the machines in the high limit slots pay better even with the same pay schedule.  I know it's stupid, but it just seems to work that way for me.  In addition, stopping the game and changing the denomination has a tendency to kill the streak.   I don't get it, but that's the way it is in my world. My advice would be to go with max coin dollars.  Keep in mind that I do not play $5 a hand all day.  I only do this $20 at a time and only when I'm ahead at the end of the day, which is often. 

I got around to reading your website and it was well written and easy to understand the system. I personally like it and will try for myself since the system will mitigate huge losses on nasty cold streaks.

If you happened to hit a full house or quad non-deuces on the first hand, you would have ended up betting MAX on the hand you got 4 deuces. I know I questioned the MAX bat $1 instead of $5, but I have yet to hit a single line royal flush myself, so I was hypocritical as I have not benefited from a MAX bet ever.

I started playing a majority video poker over slots since April this year, a new years resolution for the similar purposes to lose less money to the casino. I personally won $2500 slot jackpots twice in January a few years ago, but ended up giving that money and then some at the end of the same year.

It probably will be worthwhile to learn Deuces Wild (currently playing $1 denom 9 full house / 6 flush JoB/Bonus Deluxe/DDB). The quarter denominations at my nearby casino offers far inferior paytables (20-12-10) compared to the $1/$2/$5 denominations (NSUD), so I will use the system as $1 as the starting point instead of 25 cents, and $5 as the upper denomination instead of $1. Playing stakes at 4 times as much instead of starting $20, I will put in $80, set the upper denomination single coin play at $100 with $80 being the starting point denomination, and the white paper cash out mark at $200.

Again thanks for offering this system to the public, I know casinos win at the end, but I am trying to lose less money to the house as an overall goal.

[FloridaPhil]

My strategy works best with deuces wild because wild card games have more defined streaks. I tried it with DDB and it's not the same.  I enjoy playing dollars also. A one coin dollar bet ($1) is very near the max coin quarter bet ($1.25), so I modify the system slightly to keep from losing too much between quad deuce and royal hands.  If you are going to give up the royal bonus, you need some benefit in return.  Of course you need more money to play dollars than quarters, but the $1,000 and over payouts happen more frequently.  The modification is as follows.   I start out with $20 in the machine as always.  The difference is that I only switch to max coins after a 4 coin win if I am at $25 or over on the counter.  If the counter is under $25, I stay at single coin until it is.   This seems to be a good balance between betting bigger while keeping your loses to a minimum.  Recently I have been experimenting with $5 machines; at $5 a coin I don't move up until I'm over $100 on the counter.  I hit a $1,000 single coin $5 quad deuce two weeks ago doing this.  My bankroll is slowly but steadily increasing.  Soon I should be able to play $5 machines more often.   A $20,000 Royal is within my reach and that will be a nice picture to post...   

[alpax]

My strategy works best with deuces wild because wild card games have more defined streaks. I tried it with DDB and it's not the same.  I enjoy playing dollars also. A one coin dollar bet ($1) is very near the max coin quarter bet ($1.25), so I modify the system slightly to keep from losing too much between quad deuce and royal hands.  If you are going to give up the royal bonus, you need some benefit in return.  Of course you need more money to play dollars than quarters, but the $1,000 and over payouts happen more frequently.  The modification is as follows.   I start out with $20 in the machine as always.  The difference is that I only switch to max coins after a 4 coin win if I am at $25 or over on the counter.  If the counter is under $25, I stay at single coin until it is.   This seems to be a good balance between betting bigger while keeping your loses to a minimum.  Recently I have been experimenting with $5 machines; at $5 a coin I don't move up until I'm over $100 on the counter.  I hit a $1,000 single coin $5 quad deuce two weeks ago doing this.  My bankroll is slowly but steadily increasing.  Soon I should be able to play $5 machines more often.   A $20,000 Royal is within my reach and that will be a nice picture to post...   

I had a feeling Deuces Wild was more suited for this system than the standard deck game. In my limited half year of play with standard deck games JoB/BonusDeluxe/DDB, if a Quad/4OAK does not hit once per 400 hands on average, the session will end up in a big loss. A 4OAK is not even guaranteed in a full day's of play based on personal experiences and stories I've read on this forum.

I am going to plan to play this system sometime in the next two or three weeks. I will try to practice up on WizardOfOdds online game (provides analysis of the optimal play each hand) as much as possible to reach at least 99% best play accuracy until then (I know the website says 98% and BobDancer says 99.8%), if I cannot I will not attempt it and postpone. I will post up a story good or bad when I do play, I am very very patient with things so I will not get discouraged from the outcome of the first attempt.

I did not expect Airport Deuces and NSUD to have different strategies with a difference of one credit on 5OAK and Straight Flush prizes.


Airport Deuces (25-15-9)

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... 200-d-800/

NSUD (25-16-10)

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... 200-d-800/

On my own discretion/risk, I am willing to play the modified system dollars at a starting point instead of quarters and accept 4 times the losses if it comes down to it. Probably need to bring a wad of $20 bills from the ATM prior to going to the caisno.

Good to hear that your bankroll has gone up even when the house has the edge, I saw a good amount of your success stories about the system. Hopefully you'll hit that $20,000 $5-Denomination Royal Flush soon.

[FloridaPhil]

Keep in mind that my strategy is not designed to make you a long term winner. If it was and it worked, you can bet your life I wouldn't be trying to sell it on the Internet or write a book about it, I would be filthy rich and you wouldn't see me on this forum again.  
 
My strategy is designed to limit your losses, let you play longer with a limited bankroll while preserving a chance at a max coin jackpot. The fact that I am ahead of the casino at this point is pure luck and that's all there is to it.   I believe most recreational players are spending way too much money to experience the trill of a jackpot.  I got tired of dumping money into a VP machine hunting Royals, so I figured out an alternative that costs less and works better.

[Oni]

good for you Phil

[turtles1950]