Why is this?

[olds442jetaway]

People will say not its all random but I do exactly this when I visit 1 particular casino. It is next to impossible to hit anything on the bank of $1 so I play 1 credit $5 and hit all kinds of goodies. Personally I think they are programmed for these hits on single coin to balance out the dudes on max bets. This keeps the machine with an equal balance of hands but limits the loss and raises the profits. All while maintaining a balanced count of hands dealt to appear "fair". The inspections probably don't care if its 1 or 5 credit it just makes sure the hands balance out. But this is just my personal experience from hundreds of visits to this place.

     My next trip to Mohegan Sun will be play just like you describe above. Since I have 29 out of 30 losing sessions there, I have nothing to lose except more of the same. I suspect that is how they are programed there. After a good sample of play like the above, I will know for sure. I also have another question I am wondering about. One of my recent visits to Mohegan was of course a loser, but on the way out, I stopped by a nickel Ultimate x machine with pretty poor odds around 96 percent or so and played 10 line joker kings with a nickel on each line. I didn't activate the x feature as it required a five dollar bet or max bet on all ten hands. I only dropped in a ten dollar bill hoping for a few singles for tip money, and twenty minutes later, I cashed out 78 bucks. There were no Royals, 5 of a kind, or even straight flushes. Granted that was only one small trial, but now I wonder if the one coin bet method applies to multi line games as well. If anyone has any similar examples of something like this, please write back. Thanks. If this test holds water long term, and of course this is yet to be determined, between you, Fla Phil, myself, notes, alpax, DB and others who have posted recently, we may have finally found how they fix the machines by regulating returns on larger bets and keeping the total type of hands within norms. Where I play, the employees use the term tighten up the machines and this is exactly how they could do it on vp. I am not saying yet this is the case, but with the amount of hands I play in a year, I will know for sure in a few months. Three months of play will give me a sample of about 250k hands. Not a definitive and final analysis, but it will be a good start anyway.

[FloridaPhil]

I've never tried the Cheap Strategy on a multi-line game.  One of the main advantages of playing single coin is that it keeps you from digging a financial hole that is difficult to get out of.  For example, if you play 1000 hands at $1.25 a hand and you're having a bad day you can lose $200-$300 dollars fast.  You will then need to hit a $250 quad deuce or a Royal to get back to zero.  Now, if you play 1000 hands at .25 a hand you only lose $50-$60 bucks over the same time.  Suppose you then walk into the high limit slots and bet 2 twenty dollar bills with singe coin $5 bets. If you win nothing, you only lost $100 over the same period of time and you could have hit a decent run on the $5 single machine and come out ahead.  Even better, if you hit a royal or quad deuce on the $5 machine, you just won $1000!  Figure out a way to play cheap most of the time, then keep your big bet jackpots.  

[wildman49]

You are correct in your observation.  Single coin video poker pays better than max coins.  After years of losses, my wife and I switched to a progressive single coin system over a year ago and we are both up substantially while playing single coin about 80% of the time.   In the past three months, I have been experimenting with single coin $5 play with the same positive result.  Even if you don't believe single coin play pays better, there are many other good reasons to do so with the majority of your play.  Playing single coin reduces your loses on negative expectation games so you can keep your max coin jackpots instead of giving them back.  Professionals only play positive expectation games, they play computer perfect and have unlimited bankrolls.  All others would be much better off playing single coin. 




What Phil said is spot on. The best part of the system is the losses are much less, the hits will come, not every trip does the system work but the fun of getting to the $1 level from 25 cents and having a shot at a nice pot at the max $5 bet. I like Phil can't hardly play any other way now.

[olds442jetaway]

I hear you guys and glad it is working for you. So far, I can't seem to connect going with the max bet after the hit of 4 or more and I've given it a try on multiple sessions. As posted below, the next trip will be all single coin no matter what hits. If after a few hours, I have built up a little stash and I hope that will be the case, I will move up to single coin play on the dollars. If that is still working after awhile and I am still ahead, I will try single coin play at the 5 dollar level. Although I haven't given this a long term trial yet, I am really convinced based on my play this year that at least as far as Mohegan Sun goes, the hits are going to come playing one coin. At any rate, my losses if they are going to happen playing this way should pale in comparison to what has happened for 2014. As far as multi line goes, if I do try it, it will be at the nickel level only, but I want to see how I do on the above first.

[FloridaPhil]

Olds.  I believe playing more than 5 max coins may be screwing you up.  Try playing standard single line Deuces Wild with a 5 coin max bet and I'll bet you have better luck. Also, here's how I handle the $5 pot shots.Once an hour I walk into the High Limit Room (not the regular floor machines) and bet $20 on the standard deuces wild game at single coin $5 a hand.  If I lose I go back to quarters until the next hour.   If I keep winning, I play single coin until the counter is at $125 or more then go to max coins on all 4 coin wins.  I cash out immediately if the counter drops to $125.  I also set stop limits along the way and cash out if I feel like the run is over.  Some days I can use the high limit slots to replenish my cash like an ATM as long as I don't get greedy.I have no idea why the High Limit Room machines pay better at single coin, but they absolutely do.  I've tried playing max coin dollars and don't have near the luck.   I quit trying to explain this, I just go with it. 

[wildman49]

I hear you guys and glad it is working for you. So far, I can't seem to connect going with the max bet after the hit of 4 or more and I've given it a try on multiple sessions. As posted below, the next trip will be all single coin no matter what hits. If after a few hours, I have built up a little stash and I hope that will be the case, I will move up to single coin play on the dollars. If that is still working after awhile and I am still ahead, I will try single coin play at the 5 dollar level. Although I haven't given this a long term trial yet, I am really convinced based on my play this year that at least as far as Mohegan Sun goes, the hits are going to come playing one coin. At any rate, my losses if they are going to happen playing this way should pale in comparison to what has happened for 2014. As far as multi line goes, if I do try it, it will be at the nickel level only, but I want to see how I do on the above first. Olds another thing to try on the 25 coin machines you like. I play 20 coin JOB machines at 5 quarters bet then any 3 of a kind or higher I max bet to 20. Been working well hitting 4ok on them max bets gets you back in the game.

[olds442jetaway]

When I think back to all of the wild royals, 5 of a kinds, straight flushes, and even quads on deuces wild, the percentage of hits as on single coin vs max coin ( usually 5 even though Mohegan lets you play 25 ) is much much higher. I think for now starting tomorrow, I will be playing just single coin on single line games. Start at quarters to get a feel for it and move around a lot. Then as posted below if things are going well, move to dollars using the same hit and run strategy. I think I will give a machine 3 or 4 shots at a hit before moving on, knowing that a normal cycle is 6 hands before a hit of more than your money back. That way, I will catch the hot streaks, and avoid the sometimes 40 conseutive dud hands. I know that sounds impossible, but it happens fairly frequently at Mohegan both on deuces wild and dud streaks of 30 or so on job. I am going to stay with deuces for now just because I enjoy playing it more and the variance difference isn't that much. Anyway, time will tell but the budget will know the difference right away that is for sure. One thing I do know for sure is I am not going to give up 4% on over a million dollars cycled through in 2015 like I did in 2014. I will probably kiss level 3 goodbye, but I would much rather pay as I go than get half my money back in overpriced comps.

[FloridaPhil]

The worst thing that can happen is you will lose less money.    

[crafty rat]

am getting some real bad hands..when will this change?

[olds442jetaway]

Just back from a mini trial of single coin payouts. The only difference is I played a 9 line spin poker game, but bet 1 unit or 5 cents on each line. The trial lasted 4 hours which is only a beginning. My results were somewhat expected, but I didn't expect them to be this dramatic. If this holds up over a few hundred thousand hands, it will confirm what I suspect and that is most of the hits come with 1 unit bet to avoid big payouts by the casino.
    This was a poor paytable game 25/16/13/4/3/2/1. I only put in one twenty, played 4 hours on that twenty, and turned it into sixty bucks in that time. This is the crazy part. This was done with no Royals hitting and no deuces quads. There were some wild royals and 5 of a kinds. There was one dealt wild royal, but no dealt 5 of a kinds. I have never been able to cash out 3 times my initial coin in ever without hitting either deuces quads or a real royal. Granted this is a very mini trial, but it shows you just how many of the smaller hands they paid out with 1 unit bet. I will keep trying this for awhile probably alternating between single line game sessions and 9 line spin poker. Too early to tell which one will work better or if at all in the long run.