Ohio Casino Cheating

[DaBurglar]

 
it is not that the wealthy's total wealth has grown that much over the past few years, but rather the average/poor american's wealth has not grown or gone down. Yes and no......I have no more desire or energy to beat this topic any more than it has, but this statement by you is both partially correct and incorrect.......there are numbers that can be shown to demonstrate both the GAINS by the rich in comparison to the stagnation (or even Downsliding) of wealth of the middle and lower class.....Certainly what you say about how home prices have caused the middle class to essentially be running in place is true, I agree 100%.    But honestly, the SUPER WEALTHY (the upper half of the 1%) made out incredibly well almost IMMEDIATELY after the financial crisis of 2008-2009 had burned itself out, as (per usual) they positioned themselves with their access to capital and to the banking sector to take advantage of the government subsidized FAST recovery.....this always happens, ever since the days of the Robber Barons of the 19th century.....whenever there is an economic downturn or even a catastrophe, it inevitably furthers the divide between the classes.Everyone here needs a history lesson on how the breakup of Rockefeller's HUMONGOUS fortune from his Oil Monopoly at the beginning of the 20th century GREATLY benefitted the economy and country as a whole, and likewise with Andrew Carnegie;s vast wealth being distributed to other businesses and charities......the outlandish concentration of wealth that happened back in the days of the Oil, Steel, Banking (i.e. JP MORGAN) and Railroad trusts and monopolies was actually HOLDING back the country's prosperity, and the resulting economic BOOM and growth that happened between 1900 thru 1929 was a direct result of this GOVERNMENT MANDATED and directed wealth RE-distribution!   Read your history books, about President Teddy Roosevelt the TRUST BUSTER, widely regarded as one of our top PRESIDENTS (Teddy was A true blue.....wait for it.......REPUBLICAN!!!)

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar thank you for completely, well almost, stealing notes1's post and making it your own. I think about the Michael Bolton look alike in the bar scene during the movie "Good Will Hunting." Do you ski?

[DaBurglar]

  DaBurglar thank you for completely, well almost, stealing notes1's post and making it your own. I think about the Michael Bolton look alike in the bar scene during the movie "Good Will Hunting." Do you ski?     You are ridiculous......did you even READ or comprehend what EITHER of us said?  Obviously not otherwise you would not have written such a stupid statement.....I defy you to even attempt to show how I "Stole" anything?    Seriously, explain what you accuse me of here.......AND  stop trying to appear witty with your "Good will Hunting" scene reference.....you obviously did not understand that movie either with this non-sequitur application of that scene and what it meant.....Oh by the way, MAtt Damon was in the Undergraduate House (i.e. DORM) at Harvard across the street from my own ......Do not even TRY to deny that YOU feel pangs of envy over that!

[Tedlark]

  Notes1 wrote: it is a fact that there is greater wealth accumulated by the top couple of percent, especially in the last 5 years. but, the main reason for this happening is almost never discussed. when the financial markets collaspsed in 2008, the wealthy actually LOST a greater share of their wealth, than average americans. when the stock market started rising in mid 2009, the wealthy gained a much larger share of the wealth. both of these facts, happened for the same reason.  DaBurglar wrote: But honestly, the SUPER WEALTHY (the upper half of the 1%) made out incredibly well almost IMMEDIATELY after the financial crisis of 2008-2009 had burned itself out, as (per usual) they positioned themselves with their access to capital and to the banking sector to take advantage of the government subsidized FAST recovery.....this always happens, ever since the days of the Robber Barons of the 19th century.....whenever there is an economic downturn or even a catastrophe, it inevitably furthers the divide between the classes.   How can you NOT see the similarity?   Did you peek into Matts windows or just watch him as he walked out to get his mail?

[DaBurglar]

  Notes1 wrote: it is a fact that there is greater wealth accumulated by the top couple of percent, especially in the last 5 years. but, the main reason for this happening is almost never discussed. when the financial markets collaspsed in 2008, the wealthy actually LOST a greater share of their wealth, than average americans. when the stock market started rising in mid 2009, the wealthy gained a much larger share of the wealth. both of these facts, happened for the same reason.  DaBurglar wrote: But honestly, the SUPER WEALTHY (the upper half of the 1%) made out incredibly well almost IMMEDIATELY after the financial crisis of 2008-2009 had burned itself out, as (per usual) they positioned themselves with their access to capital and to the banking sector to take advantage of the government subsidized FAST recovery.....this always happens, ever since the days of the Robber Barons of the 19th century.....whenever there is an economic downturn or even a catastrophe, it inevitably furthers the divide between the classes.   How can you NOT see the similarity?   Did you peek into Matts windows or just watch him as he walked out to get his mail?
Oh my god....Ted, you are really losing it!     Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself......AGAIN.My post actually DISAGREES and talks about details and issues that he never even mentions.Ted, just because you post something and then INSIST (and INSIST and INSIST), and then keep repeating it, does NOT make it come true, or come to pass or whatever it is you want.......THERE IS NO SIMILARITY, and anyone who can read see's this...at best,AT BEST, in terms of what you MIGHT Be trying to say Ted, I agreed with a PORTION (actually just one part) of his post, about the stagnation of the middle and lower classes......and in case you dont understand Ted, when someone "AGREES" with another person's post, that is NOT a case of "Stealing" or "plagiarizing" or whatever you want to accuse.....ANd is that ALL you have to contribute here?  You have nothing yourself to say about the actual ISSUE we are discussing?   Or is this another example of you  trying once again to build a proverbial mountain of BS out of a mole hill of one rat turd? 

[Tedlark]

  Gee, I thought the issue was Ohio Casino Cheating? And all along it was about Robber Barons? Wow I must have dozed off.

[DaBurglar]

  Gee, I thought the issue was Ohio Casino Cheating? And all along it was about Robber Barons? Wow I must have dozed off.HAHAHA   I win again!   You do this all the time TED.....we spar in  a thread, I SKILLFULLY refute and run circles around every attempt you make to top me, and then you throw in the towel with some non-sequitur irrelevant off the wall post or statement!just STOP TED.......you cannot win in these little absurd knife fights you start and instigate, EVER.......why torture yourself like this?    I do not LIKE doing this to you, I gain NOTHING (except perverse joy in turning the tables on people like you )

[olds442jetaway]

  Gee, I thought the issue was Ohio Casino Cheating? And all along it was about Robber Barons? Wow I must have dozed off.

     Ah yes....Robber Barons...but they have nothing on the politicians. Oh wait....they are often one in the same...Hmmmm...

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]

  Gee, I thought the issue was Ohio Casino Cheating? And all along it was about Robber Barons? Wow I must have dozed off.

     Ah yes....Robber Barons...but they have nothing on the politicians. Oh wait....they are often one in the same...Hmmmm...[/QUOTE]good point olds  lolI am glad you at least actually know and understand what I mean by the term "robber barons"....you must be a student of history! 

[notes1]

db, for someone who 'has no more desire or energy to beat this topic', you seem to have found your 2nd wind.   your generalizations about 'right wing' and 'tea party' are offensive and ignorant. there are many americans and other posters here who believe government has gotten too big, that it is better to teach a man to fish than give them a fish, that being succesful is not a crime and one should be able to keep more of one's own money instead of letting elected politicans use it to buy votes. victimization will not help folks improve their situation. telling them the real truth and financial literacy, without being pc, is what they need.  more people have been brought out of poverty via capitalism than all the social programs combined. statistics show that those who consider themselves conservatives give more per capita to charity than liberals who are described as more caring. the majority of the wealth in this country has been created, not inherited. and, almost 50% of american pay no federal income tax. who is paying most of those taxes, the wealthy. being reliant on the goodwill of others is not something to aspire to.  your rants against the wealthy and calls for redistribution are exactly what is taking place for the last 6 years. how is that working out for the middle class?