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[notes1]

williejoe, your post should be required reading. f/y/i, i am not a member of the tea party, do not even know anyne who is. as i had attempted, and you did so well, i found his characterization of a group who believes in fiscal responsibility to be unfair. a lot has changed over the past 30 years, some good, some bad. what i cannot understand is how a group or any one person can be vilified for believing that leaving $18 trillion in debt to the next generation is ok, that we simply follow the law in regards to immigration and the government has gotten too large. 

[DaBurglar]

  How could you diasgree with alot and agree with alot at the same time?easy....its because I first and foremost am willing to recognize that "gray" is the color of most issues, that I prefer to find compromise and common ground as opposed to nitpicking and "Standing my ground" over the most petty of issues, and that other people and the "other side" usually has a lot of valid view points when it comes to issues of government and societal problems"A lot" is also a general, subjective term.....if I agree with 40% of his argument, disagree with 40% and 20% is neutral or irrelevant, than I can easily say I both AGREE and DISAGREE.....And once again, TED, you have ABSOLUTELY nothing intelligent or interesting to contribute......your post above was just one more snide and petty potshot aimed at ME.....Advice once again to you:  STOP trying to make me look as bad as yourself, the only way to improve your own perception or image is to elevate yourself via legitimate effort.....attempting to vilify or fault find with someone and drag them down to your level is not going to work......

[DaBurglar]

williejoe, your post should be required reading. f/y/i, i am not a member of the tea party, do not even know anyne who is. as i had attempted, and you did so well, i found his characterization of a group who believes in fiscal responsibility to be unfair. a lot has changed over the past 30 years, some good, some bad. what i cannot understand is how a group or any one person can be vilified for believing that leaving $18 trillion in debt to the next generation is ok, that we simply follow the law in regards to immigration and the government has gotten too large. The tea party is NOT simply about fiscal responsibility, otherwise they never would have gone on record (TWICE) as advocating the USA default on its DEBT.....its a matter of public record.     They also advocate CUTTING TAXES, which does NOT address at all the existing DEBT this country has.........simply cutting spending does NOT help reduce the EXISTING debt (which by the way, BOTH parties are responsible for creating, and BOTH are responsible for fixing!)I myself FULLY believe in responsible, balanced finances, I HATE the fact that our government EVERY year runs ridiculous deficits and has not the will or desire to truly address them!    I blame BOTH parties for this.......I am NOT "ok" with leaving 18trillion (AND COUNTING) to the "next generation", I never said anything like that!!!Your misrepresentation, and oversimplification of issues, is totally unfair and disingenuous.......if you ask ANY intelligent, realistic person with knowledge about accounting, government and the economy, they will tell you that in order to BOTH eliminate DEFICITS,  and simultaneously PAY OFF existing debt down to a reasonable level, we must TEMPORARILY >>>>   REDUCE SPENDING    AND   INCREASE REVENUE (i.e. TAXES)......it is impossible to accomplish the desired result without BOTH actions.Our national "DEBT" must be reduced back down (at a minimum) to below 8 Trillion.....at that level, we simply owe that money to "ourselves" which means the interest the government pays on the debt is paid back to Americans so the wealth essentially stays in the country and is spent back into the economy via other economic activity (investing, other financial transactions, consumer spending etc.)  It is when we start borrowing from outside sources (like CHINA, RUSSIA, JAPAN etc.) that the problem becomes potentially serious.    As long as an economy grows fasted than it takes on debt, there is no real problem, but we all know, as GAMBLERS, that this model is unsustainable....eventually the economy slows down, and if it slows dangerously while debt keeps accumulating, disaster unfolds.Just stop twisting and exaggerating what I say......and try and understand what it is you yourself insist on defending (i.e. the "TEA PARTY"  and their actual, TRUE viewpoints, beliefs and record!)    And do not forget, the real, responsible REPUBLICANS, like John Boehner and Mitch McConnel, along with Jeb Bush and even Christie, are sick of the extreme, unreasonable and irresponsible (and just plain idiotic) actions and viewpoints of the "tea party"......As for immigration, once again BOTH parties (DEMS and REPUBs) are contributing to the alleged "problem".  Most americans seem to forget exactly how this country was built and how we grew (i.e.  it was IMMIGRANTS!)    The propaganda of criminals and undesirables flooding across the mexican border is absurd......as a open, free society with a CAPITALISTIC economy based on open and free trade and commerce, there is no way to "Keep immigrants out and kick out illegals" without severely handicapping our economy and society.......MOST illegals in this country now are actually TRYING very hard to work and earn a living (that is why they CAME here!  duh)  They are NOT the ones on the "dole" or seeking handouts (mainly because, as illegals, they cannot register, but by giving them a chance to become citizens they can become taxpaying contributors!)    it is immigrants (legal or not) who often perform many of the jobs NO ONE ELSE wants or will do.....seriously, has anyone thought about that?   Does anyone here want to actually perform jobs like janitorial or mowing lawns?   And yet these jobs are essential and MUST be done by someone?!??      The whole immigration debate is made by people who fail to understand the complexity of the issue!   it is a integrated issue and requires REAL, true bipartisan solutions and thinking, something we LACK !And if it makes you feel any better, and to help you tone down the "outrage" you apparently feel about my argument(s)....if I had to vote right now, I'd undoubtedly support JEB BUSH for President in 2016, 100%      I see no other candidate with the credentials, as well as temperament and BALANCED, reasonable viewpoints who has the chance to actually implement REAL, true BONAFIDE  SOLUTIONS to the problems facing society today

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I can and have made intelligent posts and I will continue to do so. I just don't have anything intelligent or interesting to say to your posts because you are intelligent enough for the both of us. As for interesting, um, I can take care of myself and you can only hope...
    "Life is like a box of DaBurglars, you never know what you're gonna git" - Forrest Gump

[notes1]

wonderful article today on CNBC.COM (not a conservative site) about a recently deceased 92 year VERMONT man, who was a gas station attendent and JANITOR. when he died, he had put together  an estate of $8M. he lived simply, never went to college, was frugal and invested well. he left much of his estate to charity.   i guess one does not have to go to some fancy, high priced university, to do well. i guess one can do ok, working at a job that may not be glamorous. i guess one can build up a nice nest egg, if they live within their means and invest.   no one said the tea party was perfect, but YOU refrenced them as a bunch of extremists. no one is advocating to overthrow the government, just reduce it's size and scope. no one endorsed doing away with immigration, simply doing it in a legal manner.   as has been pointed out, capitalism may not be perfect, but better than any other alternatives. giving folks stuff, instead of making them earn it, does not build self esteem, instead it builds dependency. creating the notion that people are victims, rather than pointing out and correcting the mistakes they make, simply gives them an excuse. thirty years ago, the average american household saved about 9% of their gross income and had a debt level that was equal to about 150% of that income. by 2007, the savings rate had dropped to about 1% and household debt was about 300% of income.  one can argue all they want about wealth disparity, the need to increase governemnt assistance, about how unfair life is if you are not born into the right household, but many of our problems have been building for decades and many are self inflicted. for many, their problems are starring right at them in the mirror.    

[Tedlark]

  notes I heard a story about that man a couple days ago. Every once in a while these stories come out and they are getting more scarce, sometimes common sense is a better educator than any high priced university.

[DaBurglar]

notes, everything you said in that last post I agree with.......I do not think you really have an issue with me other than you perceive i was unkind and unfair to the "tea party"....And the story of the vermont man is nice, and indeed, "success" in life is a completely SUBJECTIVE ideal, it can be measured in many ways.But having said that,  THIS IS A SINGLE SOLITARY (and unique) example of someone who was truly an exception......first off, the guy lived to be 92!   That alone is both amazing, and also unique.....obviously the guy never had any serious health problems, so that makes SAVING money easy (since as ANY intelligent, informed person knows HEALTH CARE COSTS, and the cost of being "sick" in general is one of the BIGGEST impediments to wealth accumulation!)The guy obviously lived a simple, spartan existence, which is fine ....and VERMONT is not exactly one of the most expensive places on earth to live, so the fact that he "Saved" 8 million bucks is actually not that surprising or exceptional.......it is WELL known that a person can accumulate wealth fairly easily if......IF they live a frugal, simple life  and (more importantly) are not beset or suffer health problems or are the victim of a natural disaster (not many earthquakes or hurricanes in Vermont guys!)I share in your admiration for this guy, and I am impressed with his charitable donations....but this example, BY ITSELF, proves nothing that is not already self evident!And enough with the high priced universities potshots......what is your point with that disdain?  do you not realize how important these schools are?   the research and knowledge that come from them, the benefits they yield to society??A favorite snub of right wing (republicans) is that the left (democrats) are riddled with "Ivy League-Harvard types".....as if that is in itself a "BAD thing"!!!  It is a good thing...who else but the very brightest, most intelligent should lead the country?    Sarah Palin?!??!?!  And by the way, Ted Cruz (Harvard Grad)....Mitt Romney (harvard Grad)....> The Bush Family (YALE)....should I keep going???

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar you forgot President Obama.

[notes1]

db, i spent months reading the posts on this forum, before i ever made a comment. i even felt some sympathy for you because you were often attacked. the comments i have made to you are not out of spite or just to take the other side. williejoe and i have both made valid points and given you statistics, but you skip right over them.  you have made numerous posts about the plight of the workers in AC. how terrible they lost their jobs. guess what, many of them deserved to lose thier jobs. their attitude sucked. they are in the tourism business, their job is to provide a pleasant experience to visitors. maybe management was also lacking, but i did not deal with them, i deal with the gal bringing me botlles of water.  you act as the guardian of the less well off. in many cases, they do not need a guardian, but a kick in the butt. the janitor i wrote about does not need to be the exception. most everyone could improve their lives financially, if they would simply live below their means, quit buying so much stuff and start saving/investing. that is exactly how that man did it. delayed gratification, do not just live for today.  you have taken many positions against business. are all businesses perfect? of course not, but they provide jobs, they took the risks, they should get the majority of the rewards. i have met folks who took a chance, started a business, slept in their cars or lived like crap, pouring everything into that business. they missed time with their families, no time to play golf, softball, go to the gym, they just worked. some made it, many others did not. these are the stories that are not getting told, just about greed.  as far as 'over priced universities' are concerned, i have nothing against a good education. but, i have two problems. it was largely the left that sold the country on the idea, that all one needed was to go to college and they would achieve success. and, the higher the cost of that degree, even more success. now we have a generation of young folks, with tens of thousands of dollars of government authorized loans, they got for 4-5-6 years of education for degrees in latin and other areas that will never pay off. and, as a further reward for their stupidity, the left endorses forgiving some of those loans, meaning the rest of us have to pay for their mistakes. second, ever had a plumber, electrician, air conditioning repair person come to your house. costs an arm and a leg.   while you and others may think you are being compassionate, you are just giving folks an excuse. NO ONE in america is dying of hunger, the state of our less well off, with cable big screen tv's, cell phones, subsidized housing, food stamps, etc, is far from dire.     

[DaBurglar]

db, i spent months reading the posts on this forum, before i ever made a comment. i even felt some sympathy for you because you were often attacked. the comments i have made to you are not out of spite or just to take the other side. williejoe and i have both made valid points and given you statistics, but you skip right over them.  you have made numerous posts about the plight of the workers in AC. how terrible they lost their jobs. guess what, many of them deserved to lose thier jobs. their attitude sucked. they are in the tourism business, their job is to provide a pleasant experience to visitors. maybe management was also lacking, but i did not deal with them, i deal with the gal bringing me botlles of water.  you act as the guardian of the less well off. in many cases, they do not need a guardian, but a kick in the butt. the janitor i wrote about does not need to be the exception. most everyone could improve their lives financially, if they would simply live below their means, quit buying so much stuff and start saving/investing. that is exactly how that man did it. delayed gratification, do not just live for today.  you have taken many positions against business. are all businesses perfect? of course not, but they provide jobs, they took the risks, they should get the majority of the rewards. i have met folks who took a chance, started a business, slept in their cars or lived like crap, pouring everything into that business. they missed time with their families, no time to play golf, softball, go to the gym, they just worked. some made it, many others did not. these are the stories that are not getting told, just about greed.  as far as 'over priced universities' are concerned, i have nothing against a good education. but, i have two problems. it was largely the left that sold the country on the idea, that all one needed was to go to college and they would achieve success. and, the higher the cost of that degree, even more success. now we have a generation of young folks, with tens of thousands of dollars of government authorized loans, they got for 4-5-6 years of education for degrees in latin and other areas that will never pay off. and, as a further reward for their stupidity, the left endorses forgiving some of those loans, meaning the rest of us have to pay for their mistakes. second, ever had a plumber, electrician, air conditioning repair person come to your house. costs an arm and a leg.   while you and others may think you are being compassionate, you are just giving folks an excuse. NO ONE in america is dying of hunger, the state of our less well off, with cable big screen tv's, cell phones, subsidized housing, food stamps, etc, is far from dire.     hey notes, believe what you want....I have no illusion of changing your mind or views on things and you clearly keep skipping the past points I made to illustrate where I agree with you,  but this last post of yours is pure baloney.    Its so full of pure ignorance I am not even going to try to respond, just know that while I have no illusion about changing your mind, YOU have zero hope of ever changing mine either.....better you just stay on your side and me mine......even though technically I do not have a side lolBut as to "No one is starving, etc"   Google hunger in America.......I do not :THINK:  I am being compassionate, I AM COMPASSIONATE http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/