GAMBLERS CAN'T GET A BREAK

[notes1]

some might remember the story of the players at the at the GOLDEN NUGGET who were playing mini-baccarat, in 2012. the story goes that the casino was using new decks of cards that came unshuffled. some of the players noticed this and won $1.5 M.  the players did nothing wrong, no cheating, but the casino disputed the win, because the cards were supposed to be shuffled and were not. end result, casino took the players to court and the judge ruled the players must give back all their winnings.  i wonder if the casino would have been using a deck that came with missing cards, would they give the players their money back. if the casino found out a machine was malfunctioning, would they contact the regulators and give all those players their money back.   

[JIMDUECE`SWILD]

Here's the article .http://www.philly.com/philly/business/h ... 7f35a.html

[DaBurglar]

some might remember the story of the players at the at the GOLDEN NUGGET who were playing mini-baccarat, in 2012. the story goes that the casino was using new decks of cards that came unshuffled. some of the players noticed this and won $1.5 M.  the players did nothing wrong, no cheating, but the casino disputed the win, because the cards were supposed to be shuffled and were not. end result, casino took the players to court and the judge ruled the players must give back all their winnings.  i wonder if the casino would have been using a deck that came with missing cards, would they give the players their money back. if the casino found out a machine was malfunctioning, would they contact the regulators and give all those players their money back.  Now this is a good post with good questions, sir......and I agree that this is UNFAIR to these particular players.....AS I understand it, "in a perfect CASINO world", when malfunctions or mistakes happen that are not intentional (i.e. cheating or violations of regs) then all play is void and all money returned to the PRE-Betting owners and level......that is, if the game resulted in a casino winning players' money due to missin gcards, then the casino is supposed to return the players BETS.   And, if the players win money due to a mistake that favors them, (AND it is caught and PURSUED in court as it was here by the Golden Nugget) then the players are obligated to return the unfair winnings......BUT here is what is really the issue:   The fact thi stook place in ATLANTIC CITY is the key here....if this were VEGAS, I am almost 100% sure that the casino woul dhave allowed the players to keep the money, if for no other reason the negative press and perception would hurt a VEGAS casino in the eyes of the gambling public.    But the fact this is a AC casino in a totally DEAD market in which 1.5 million bucks is actually a BIG deal even to a profitable casino (like the GN - AC), this is the compelling factor, and is why the casino took it to court.Although, I have to ask, HOW MUCH did Golden Nuggets actual LEGAL costs amount to here???    if this has been going on since 2012.....yikes

[Tedlark]

  The law is the law, regardless of this happening in New Jersey or elsewhere so why would location be "the key?"

[notes1]

i doubt the casino spent anything close to $1.5m on legal costs. as a side note, the most recent gambling numbers from AC were just released. if i recall correctly,the overall numbers were about the same as last year, but 4 less casinos to deal with. as a result, other than the TAJ, most all the other properities had double digit percentage increases in gambling revenue.  probably a little too early for the remaing properities to celebrate, but, maybe the bleeding has stopped. closing some casinos is exactly what AC needed. would not be surprised if this trend does not continue in other developed markets such as tunica and even vegas. 

[DaBurglar]

  The law is the law, regardless of this happening in New Jersey or elsewhere so why would location be "the key?"Umm   I explained  "WHY"That whooshing everyone is hearing is yet another point flying over ted's head....not an easy feat considering the size of said "ted's head".....har har hardy har yuck yuck  gigglesnort

[DaBurglar]

i doubt the casino spent anything close to $1.5m on legal costs. as a side note, the most recent gambling numbers from AC were just released. if i recall correctly,the overall numbers were about the same as last year, but 4 less casinos to deal with. as a result, other than the TAJ, most all the other properities had double digit percentage increases in gambling revenue.  probably a little too early for the remaing properities to celebrate, but, maybe the bleeding has stopped. closing some casinos is exactly what AC needed. would not be surprised if this trend does not continue in other developed markets such as tunica and even vegas. Well it obviously does help somewhat the remaining casinos left standing, as you would expect a lot of the former customers of the shuttered casinos, customers who are still loyal to AC as a whole (or "hole"), to take their business to one of the remaining places.....I doubt anyone is celebrating or even applauding because this was obviously NOT planned nor the direction anyone wanted things to take....but if they can somehow ATTRACT new business starting this summer while keeping existing business, then perhaps by this time NEXT year they will have cause to finally celebrate a little.But dont worry, AC being AC will definitely find a way to snatch another defeat from the jaws of victory.......on a different note I fully expect Chris Christie, once his presidential aspirations are dead, to host a show on the Travel channel titled "Last Casino Standing".....his co-host will be Richard Simmons of Deal a Meal and "Dancin to the Oldies" fame.....

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]

  The law is the law, regardless of this happening in New Jersey or elsewhere so why would location be "the key?"Umm   I explained  "WHY"That whooshing everyone is hearing is yet another point flying over ted's head....not an easy feat considering the size of said "ted's head".....har har hardy har yuck yuck  gigglesnort
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    Actually you gave your opinion as to "WHY." As notes1 mentioned; the Golden Nugget's legal fees were probably moot and odds would be that they have an in house legal staff to handle such matters.

[DaBurglar]

http://news.yahoo.com/barking-dog-could ... o.....here is an example of what NOT to do when someone files a frivolous lawsuit.....I can understand the inclination of the woman to "ignore" the next door idiot, but in this case it illustrates my point clearly.....the idiot neighbor who actually claims the barking dog is louder than a friggin Ambulance and just slightly less loud than a jet, is perfectly entitled to FILE a lawsuit over a barking dog.....but IF...IF the woman who owned the dog had simply disputed it the court would have dismissed it immediately as "absurd"....but she did not, so it went uncontested and the idiot won half a mil......

[Tedlark]

  We're sorry DaBurglar but was this thread about uinshuffled cards at the Golden Nugget or what is about frivolous lawsuits?