Losing Streaks

[djc32]

Once again, more evidence to add to the pile that TODAY's video poker scene is far far less profitable, more rife with losing players and losing scenarios than ever before........Since we all agree that casinos are NOT "cheating" or "rigging", the only explanation for the extreme "uhn" profitability on games that still are in the 97 to 99 % range is that the WAY the machines process results, via the super super fast speeds, somehow lends itself to lots more dud or non-paying hands in between the few big "hits" or winners we still can receive.       This is now the NORM, it is not some simple blip in the variance radar screen.I learned a lot from my last AC trip (MArch 4 thru 7) that I will share soon......



The poster says he plays DDB and TDB , $5-$10 machines, and plays 95% accurate when he practices on this site.

So, he's making 5% mistakes at $25-$50 a hand, while playing high volatility games.

In my opinion this is actually more evidence that todays VP scene has a lot of players that are probably playing way over there heads, who don't know the strategies well enough, or have the proper bank roll for the games they play to survive the swings than it is evidence about the way the machines produce results.

[Tedlark]

Once again, more evidence to add to the pile that TODAY's video poker scene is far far less profitable, more rife with losing players and losing scenarios than ever before........Since we all agree that casinos are NOT "cheating" or "rigging", the only explanation for the extreme "uhn" profitability on games that still are in the 97 to 99 % range is that the WAY the machines process results, via the super super fast speeds, somehow lends itself to lots more dud or non-paying hands in between the few big "hits" or winners we still can receive.       This is now the NORM, it is not some simple blip in the variance radar screen.I learned a lot from my last AC trip (MArch 4 thru 7) that I will share soon......


Can you please share with us any NEW information? Is it limited to your comment that STP is a high earner for NJ casinos?

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] Once again, more evidence to add to the pile that TODAY's video poker scene is far far less profitable, more rife with losing players and losing scenarios than ever before........Since we all agree that casinos are NOT "cheating" or "rigging", the only explanation for the extreme "uhn" profitability on games that still are in the 97 to 99 % range is that the WAY the machines process results, via the super super fast speeds, somehow lends itself to lots more dud or non-paying hands in between the few big "hits" or winners we still can receive.       This is now the NORM, it is not some simple blip in the variance radar screen.I learned a lot from my last AC trip (MArch 4 thru 7) that I will share soon......


Can you please share with us any NEW information? Is it limited to your comment that STP is a high earner for NJ casinos? [/QUOTE]I learned that in NJ (i.e.  "AC"), a player has the right to examine a machine's play history/results going back 12 months......and I did not even need to visit the (apparently shuttered)  gaming control office located on Tennessee Avenue several blocks from Resorts....not that I could have gotten there anyway.    I learned this again from the helpful staff at resorts, not just the pit boss who felt compelled to dish on STP machines, but also one of the floormen working with him in the Blackjack pit, who I gathered used to be a slots supervisor at Showboat and Revel.....he obviously might be a shell shocked survivor of the carnage that has befallen AC lately, but nevertheless he shared with me something I had learned a long time ago but had either forgotten it or never had cause to remember or use it.......namely that a PLAYER can request to see  information on the specific play results of ANY machine on a casino's floor that is currently being offered for play/action.      What actually constitutes this "info" is pretty broad, meaning it could be a printout, or info displayed on a screen, or simply asking a slot person of supervisor to tell you when the last ROYAL was had on a given VP game or machine.Has anyone ever done this or availed themselves of it?   Has anyone ever asked to see or know the exact play results, or winning percent of a machine?     I believe a long time ago when I was in Reno this subject came up as I watched a couple request (and receive) some information on a slot machine's history.......2005-2006-ish.FYI -  it was during my conversations with the RESORTs personnel and the players surrounding the blackjack table I was at that I gleaned the ugly truth about the regulatory/oversight situation in AC (meaning there are very few agents available for casino floor presence and inspections, etc.)      However, at the Golden Nugget, when I asked about this topic, I received some different info and vibes:  The GN people were eager to DOWNPLAY any perceived shortfall of oversight or problems with Agent staffing.....they were trying to make it seem like everything was "just fine"........do not know what to make of that.      I do know the Golden Nugget is definitely more "with it"  and perceived higher quality  that Resorts......I have not seen the latest revenue or profit numbers so I do not know which of the two is more successful / profitable lately,  GN or Resorts AC.

[FAA]

a PLAYER can request to see  information on the specific play results of
ANY machine on a casino's floor currently being offered for
play/action. This is very cool! I would do this for money pit machines to confirm my suspicions. Regarding the machines where I have confirmed Royals in my normal play area, I will take a pass. It feels like I'd quickly be tagged a nuisance customer by attendants, suits and waitresses. Debating whether it is worth harming my relationships a bit. It will likely feel like a confrontational move to them, even though we know it is not.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=djc32]today's VP scene has a
lot of players that are probably playing way over there heads, who
don't know the strategies well enough, or have the proper bank roll for
the games they play to survive the swings[/quote]Very well stated and accurate.

[Tedlark]

I read in the NJ Gaming regulations that a person has the right toseek information on the machines. So basically you found out nothing new then? You have spoken at length about casino workers and their attitudes so that is not new either.

[MPD001]

[QUOTE=Tedlark] [QUOTE=DaBurglar] Once again, more evidence to add to the pile that TODAY's video poker scene is far far less profitable, more rife with losing players and losing scenarios than ever before........Since we all agree that casinos are NOT "cheating" or "rigging", the only explanation for the extreme "uhn" profitability on games that still are in the 97 to 99 % range is that the WAY the machines process results, via the super super fast speeds, somehow lends itself to lots more dud or non-paying hands in between the few big "hits" or winners we still can receive.       This is now the NORM, it is not some simple blip in the variance radar screen.I learned a lot from my last AC trip (MArch 4 thru 7) that I will share soon......


Can you please share with us any NEW information? Is it limited to your comment that STP is a high earner for NJ casinos? [/QUOTE]I learned that in NJ (i.e.  "AC"), a player has the right to examine a machine's play history/results going back 12 months......and I did not even need to visit the (apparently shuttered)  gaming control office located on Tennessee Avenue several blocks from Resorts....not that I could have gotten there anyway.    I learned this again from the helpful staff at resorts, not just the pit boss who felt compelled to dish on STP machines, but also one of the floormen working with him in the Blackjack pit, who I gathered used to be a slots supervisor at Showboat and Revel.....he obviously might be a shell shocked survivor of the carnage that has befallen AC lately, but nevertheless he shared with me something I had learned a long time ago but had either forgotten it or never had cause to remember or use it.......namely that a PLAYER can request to see  information on the specific play results of ANY machine on a casino's floor that is currently being offered for play/action.      What actually constitutes this "info" is pretty broad, meaning it could be a printout, or info displayed on a screen, or simply asking a slot person of supervisor to tell you when the last ROYAL was had on a given VP game or machine.Has anyone ever done this or availed themselves of it?   Has anyone ever asked to see or know the exact play results, or winning percent of a machine?     [/QUOTE]
Many years ago, when STP first started to appear, I played an STP machine at Harrahs LV. I forget what the frequency of the multiplier's appearance is supposed to be, but I went 100 hands without seeing one. I thought that odd, so I called a slot person, who called a slot tech and supervisor. They opened the machine, and ran a report that showed the last 200 hands played. No multiplier. The tech ran diagnostics, and the machine was declared fine. The supervisor gave me $200 FreePlay, admitting no problem with the machine, saying that it was just a random streak.

[DaBurglar]

I read in the NJ Gaming regulations that a person has the right toseek information on the machines. So basically you found out nothing new then? You have spoken at length about casino workers and their attitudes so that is not new either. If I were you I'd submit a "Customer Dissatisfied" report with Webman Ted, telling him just how disappointed you are in my posts.   In fact if I were you, I'd quit the forum.So when people ask "why does burglar continue to frequent AC if he does not win there".....I'll retort "why does Tedlark continue to find fault and in general harass and pointlessly criticize Burglar's posts LONG after everyone has gotten the point that Ted doe snot like what Burglar posts and disapproves of whatever he posts????"  Nothing new here either......    It's the same issue and situation......

[FAA]

Heck, I usually find DaBurglar's posts very granular and  valuable. This ongoing tirade against him is stupefying.MPD, good for you for getting to the bottom of a tight machine with persistent inquiry. I would not have the resolve to do so. Nice reward for your troubles. Hope you did well with that $200 FP.   

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=Tedlark] I read in the NJ Gaming regulations that a person has the right toseek information on the machines. So basically you found out nothing new then? You have spoken at length about casino workers and their attitudes so that is not new either. If I were you I'd submit a "Customer Dissatisfied" report with Webman Ted, telling him just how disappointed you are in my posts.   In fact if I were you, I'd quit the forum.So when people ask "why does burglar continue to frequent AC if he does not win there".....I'll retort "why does Tedlark continue to find fault and in general harass and pointlessly criticize Burglar's posts LONG after everyone has gotten the point that Ted doe snot like what Burglar posts and disapproves of whatever he posts????"  Nothing new here either......    It's the same issue and situation......[/QUOTE]


I'm not a dissatisfied customer of this website DaBurglar but if I were and I filled out a form it would pale in comparison to the number of dissatisfied customer forms you may have filled out and submitted to the office on Tennessee Ave.