Double up or not

[New2vp]

   To be really fair, they should offer it on losses, as well. Funny.  The mathematicians might have some trouble determining the house edge on this wager with the division by the zero bet size.  But, I guess this would be possible on multi-line machines (or machines requiring 6, 7, or 10 coins with payouts of 5 coins) when the amount returned is less than the amount wagered.

[New2vp]

if the double up is fair then there is a slight disadvantage to the casino in that it takes time away from u playing a neg exp game.unless you are playing a psoitve situation like fp deuces or some good promo.if u get tier points for the double up then very good.i don't know if u do. I've heard that you do NOT get credit for tier points in most places.  It would be helpful for some to know if that was different anywhere.

[DaBurglar]

I know this may sound like crazy talk, but maybe they offer the feature because they believe they will get more player participation with the feature enabled than they would without it?


Ok now you're onto something here....my stipulation is that the double up function, while ostensibly appearing to be a version of "high card", is ( in it's algorithmic bowels) really somehow slanted to put the player at a long term disadvantage. It is inconsistent with modern casino practice to give players that much of an edge on a game (VP) that already gives them a good chance to win...unless it's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

In addition to myself and my own experience of losing with it, I know of no one else who has said they do well with it, instead more than a few claim it's bad. How come Bob dancer doesn't emphasize it more, or use it more??? Why wouldn't you be encouraged to double up always at least one time the lower level wins ( like straights, three of a kinds etc. Much like I used to at various times years ago?)

If Eduardo is at least partially correct in his supposition above, the casinos must think there are enough savvy players out there who will surmise that they are seemingly being offered a good opportunity with the double up to entice them to play, but if that's the case, ask yourself " why" if the odds are so close to even?? There must be some other aspect to this double up function that influences end results so that a casino doesn't potentially have people turning a 45 credit full house into a premium quads payout with any regularity (doubling three times would yield 360). It's not too hard to get three heads or three tails in a row when you flip coins for a while... I know I know, you could easily be losing lots of full houses too, but still...50-50 resets with every single trial/ flip/deal!


And I am 100% certain in AC you get nothing for doubling up as far as comps or tier credits, etc. I'm guessing if your "action" was high enough you could talk to a host for your doubling up to be taken into account...????

[Tedlark]

So with your last line, you AREN'T 100% CERTAIN then? I suppose?

[Eduardo]

If Eduardo is at least partially correct in his supposition above, the casinos must think there are enough savvy players out there who will surmise that they are seemingly being offered a good opportunity with the double up to entice them to playYour conclusion of what casinos "must think" in this scenario is flawed because, as usual, you are reading way too much into it. Savvy players?  No. They'll give you a free drink too. (FREE!) It's not because they think you are savvy.

[billryan]

Casinos offer true odds on craps, after insuring they have a small edge on the initial wager.
is this all that much different?

[Vman96]

In addition to myself and my own experience of losing with it, I know of no one else who has said they do well with it, instead more than a few claim it's bad. How come Bob dancer doesn't emphasize it more, or use it more??? Why wouldn't you be encouraged to double up always at least one time the lower level wins ( like straights, three of a kinds etc. Much like I used to at various times years ago?)




Bob doesn't really promote the game because he really doesn't promate that playing negative VP (after factoring in comps). When VP plus comps is a net positive, then playing Double Up slows down your equity.

[billryan]

    Its not on all that many machines out here, as far as I can tell. I see it mostly in bars with bad schedules, as a rule.

[Vman96]

     Its not on all that many machines out here, as far as I can tell. I see it mostly in bars with bad schedules, as a rule.

Yeah, it's more frequent on bartops it seems. It's gradually seems to be more common over time. The "double up bug" got the feature shut off nationwide as a temp fix to it.

[wildman49]

Here in Michigan  the casino I play at has 

Double Up on most all machines. It's rare to see anyone playing it.