Double up or not

[DaBurglar]

Casinos offer gimmick games because customers like them.
Lets face it, most VP players are pretty clueless and when they see a game that offers a big payoff they jump on it.
They also almost always fail to learn the proper payout for the game. In Ultimate X,I think, its better to go for flushes and straights as they garner bigger multipliers for the next hand. I haven't played it a whole lot as only SP has the right paytable and it's an expensive game there.
Heck, in Vegas, so few people know how to play the game that a virtual cottage industry has popped up around scavenging the game when people cash out and leave multipliers on the machine.
A few people have mastered the game and do well but most people might as well torch their money in the parking lot.

Hmmm...what say you to my contention that STP and ULTX deal lots and lots of crapola compared to normal everyday single line games?? Or whenever you have a big multiplier, that hand rarely connects?   In your limited experience with these, have you noticed anything like that? Next time you are playing or watching, just take note and see what you think... I know this sounds suspiciously like "rigged", but dammit, I've observed far too many people go busto after plopping a few hundred into a 3-5 line STP machine and hit nada, and it isn't simply because of the high variance or cost, or the lousy paytables....!!!!

I rarely play myself but love to watch others. In the last three years or so in AC I've seen two handpays total on STP, and two on ULTX....not a whole lot to be honest. There must be something (legit) built into the game itself to prevent casinos from being frequently clobbered with huge payouts

[Carcounter]

Does anyone remember the story of the 2 guys from Pittsburgh that figured out how to manipulate the double up feature so that winning premium hands could be switched to a higher denomination? They had a good run, but got greedy and got caught.

[Casino Knight]

Does anyone remember the story of the 2 guys from Pittsburgh that figured out how to manipulate the double up feature so that winning premium hands could be switched to a higher denomination? They had a good run, but got greedy and got caught.

Exactly, they could have been good sized fish in a big pond, and made a comfortable living, but wanted to become Whales overnight. EVERYONE watches the Whales, no one pays any attention to the guy/gal who hits a couple of hand pays and leaves.

Same goes for Ron Harris. GREED always kills the Golden Goose.

[billryan]

[QUOTE=billryan] Casinos offer gimmick games because customers like them.
Lets face it, most VP players are pretty clueless and when they see a game that offers a big payoff they jump on it.
They also almost always fail to learn the proper payout for the game. In Ultimate X,I think, its better to go for flushes and straights as they garner bigger multipliers for the next hand. I haven't played it a whole lot as only SP has the right paytable and it's an expensive game there.
Heck, in Vegas, so few people know how to play the game that a virtual cottage industry has popped up around scavenging the game when people cash out and leave multipliers on the machine.
A few people have mastered the game and do well but most people might as well torch their money in the parking lot.

Hmmm...what say you to my contention that STP and ULTX deal lots and lots of crapola compared to normal everyday single line games?? Or whenever you have a big multiplier, that hand rarely connects?   In your limited experience with these, have you noticed anything like that? Next time you are playing or watching, just take note and see what you think... I know this sounds suspiciously like "rigged", but dammit, I've observed far too many people go busto after plopping a few hundred into a 3-5 line STP machine and hit nada, and it isn't simply because of the high variance or cost, or the lousy paytables....!!!!

I rarely play myself but love to watch others. In the last three years or so in AC I've seen two handpays total on STP, and two on ULTX....not a whole lot to be honest. There must be something (legit) built into the game itself to prevent casinos from being frequently clobbered with huge payouts[/QUOTE]

I don't play them enough to notice any patterns, go or bad. The reason is simple. Minimum bet is $25 a spin.
However, several of my Advantage Player compadres play it for hours on end. They have voted with their wallets.

[Tedlark]

Hmmm....

[Carcounter]

Andre Nestor and John Kane were the names.

[Vman96]

[QUOTE=billryan] Casinos offer gimmick games because customers like them.
Lets face it, most VP players are pretty clueless and when they see a game that offers a big payoff they jump on it.
They also almost always fail to learn the proper payout for the game. In Ultimate X,I think, its better to go for flushes and straights as they garner bigger multipliers for the next hand. I haven't played it a whole lot as only SP has the right paytable and it's an expensive game there.
Heck, in Vegas, so few people know how to play the game that a virtual cottage industry has popped up around scavenging the game when people cash out and leave multipliers on the machine.
A few people have mastered the game and do well but most people might as well torch their money in the parking lot.

Hmmm...what say you to my contention that STP and ULTX deal lots and lots of crapola compared to normal everyday single line games?? Or whenever you have a big multiplier, that hand rarely connects?   In your limited experience with these, have you noticed anything like that? Next time you are playing or watching, just take note and see what you think... I know this sounds suspiciously like "rigged", but dammit, I've observed far too many people go busto after plopping a few hundred into a 3-5 line STP machine and hit nada, and it isn't simply because of the high variance or cost, or the lousy paytables....!!!!

I rarely play myself but love to watch others. In the last three years or so in AC I've seen two handpays total on STP, and two on ULTX....not a whole lot to be honest. There must be something (legit) built into the game itself to prevent casinos from being frequently clobbered with huge payouts[/QUOTE]

If I'm in St. Louis on a Friday night, it's not uncommon that I will witness a handpay on one of these two games about hourly. Mostly on Ultimate X. I see people connect now and again for sure. But when they don't the game just sucks money away.

[billryan]

[QUOTE=Carcounter] Does anyone remember the story of the 2 guys from Pittsburgh that figured out how to manipulate the double up feature so that winning premium hands could be switched to a higher denomination? They had a good run, but got greedy and got caught.

Exactly, they could have been good sized fish in a big pond, and made a comfortable living, but wanted to become Whales overnight. EVERYONE watches the Whales, no one pays any attention to the guy/gal who hits a couple of hand pays and leaves.

Same goes for Ron Harris. GREED always kills the Golden Goose.[/QUOTE]


That goose ain't totally dead. Just witnessed a variation of it a few weeks ago.

[Carcounter]

If these guys had just rung up jackpots of $1199 or less every time, they may have still been at it. Could have made tons of money albeit more slowly.

[billryan]

If these guys had just rung up jackpots of $1199 or less every time, they may have still been at it. Could have made tons of money albeit more slowly.
That's the gamblers dilemma.
You find a mistake, do you burn it out knowing the casino will find it eventually or do you slow roll it. A problem with slow rolling is someone else might find it and shut you out.
I'm in the go big and burn it out camp.