Leaving Sunday 07-05

[notes1]

have to admit, i do not know what the difference is between server based games and the machines referenced at the other casinos. what is the difference? aren't they still all random? how could they results be any different and still be legal? i would welcome some clarification.

[DaBurglar]

I'm not sure about DaBurglar's theories about AC, but I do agree with him on one thing: Based on my experiences, it sure SEEMS like it's harder to win on the new server-based games installed at the CET properties. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten my share of hand pays on them, but it seems more difficult to draw the flushes and full houses that allow you to play long sessions. I go to Ac fairly often, and I try to stay away from these machines if I can. I have more success on the older style machines at Golden Nugget, Trop, and Borgata.Nice post and input King, thanks......I am a little puzzled though, in that you claim you have in fact received "your share" of hand pays on the server based VP games;  what exactly do you mean by "your share"?  Have you actually gotten the expected number of Royals based on the total number of hands you have played thus far on server games?  That is to say, IF for example (and illustrative purposes) you have played a total of 240,000 hands SO FAR on server based VP games at CET,  have you received the statistically expected 6 or more ROYALS thus far?        I ask this because in my own case, and observations of other players playing at CET on the servers, I have not even seen anywhere near the expected PREMIUM hands including handpays!     to me, the CET server games just are total DRAINS that give back hardly anything.....now, I am sure that SOMEONE is winning the progressives that are displayed on various CET banks and games. but even with that it is still a dismal state of results.     I think this is POSSIBLY due not only to the funky way AC deals with video poker in general (as a SLOTs type game), but also has EVERYTHING to do with it just being CET, and the fact that CET is one of the more inept, poorly operated casino conglomerates in the WORLD and the company being BURIED under a insurmountable amount of debt....I would not put it past them to be cheating and the fact that the server games allow for a lot more manipulation and "messing around" with results makes it easier for a company like caesars to take advantage of the situation (a "situation" which now also includes a very weak division of gaming enforcement to actually put a stop to the type of possible activity I am alluding to here.....)NOTES1, regarding your general question on Server Based games:   Essentially the AC properties of caesars now have all their slots and video poker on A SERVER, instead of each single individual machine having its own computer chip and program to determine results for that individual single machine......in TODAY's AC casinos for CET, the SERVER does all the Random number generation for ALL MACHINES on the floor, applies the RNG results to the specific game program that the player chooses based on where he sits and where he puts his money, and yields the results to the players at their individual game "terminal"....the SERVER likewise means one single individual "tech" (or MAYBE 2 or 3 TOTAL instead of having "Shifts" of techs on call to service and repair all the games on the floor)  can now essentially oversee the ENTIRE casino floor of games, thus yielding a significant cost savings to the operations side of the equation for CET.       But it also means, theoretically, a casino on a server can "mess" with their games a lot easier, faster, with more subtlety and stealth, and unless a casino enforcement "officer" were standing right next to the server operator while he/she/it   perpetrated such malfeasance, the casino will most likely never be caught, unless the Casino Control Division/Commission makes it a real requirement to have casinos submit LOGS of all server activity and settings and they actually READ and review such submissions and followup investigate and pursue any discrepancies!!!!    Not likely at all to happen!!

[notes1]

thanks for info on servers.

[FAA]

Excellent summary of what may be occurring. It would be all too efficient to mess w results with the omniscient Master Server running the show. No absolute certainty, but look at our results and make an educated opinion. The stand alone machine route is a luxury few casinos have incentive to abide, given a choice. I am a happier player since leaving the CET fold kicking and screaming. Better quality drinks and a nicer crowd are icing.

[Tedlark]

Just because the machines are routed to a server does not mean anything other than random generation at the machines. FAA you were pretty close when you said: "what MAY be occurring." Could can be substituted for the word may, might could be substituted for the word may.I still firmly believe in the randomness of the games and I always will until the word IS replaces the word MAY. The lunar landing did happen, it wasn't done on a hollywood sound stage; Elvis is dead(long live the King); and, putting ketchup on a Chicago style hot dog is a sin to everyone but me.

[FAA]

Disclaimers must be used, as we are not insiders. But recall the philosophy of George Santayana (“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”.) If they do not pay, do not stay, go away.

[KingofAmerica]

[QUOTE=KingofAmerica]I'm not sure about DaBurglar's theories about AC, but I do agree with him on one thing: Based on my experiences, it sure SEEMS like it's harder to win on the new server-based games installed at the CET properties. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten my share of hand pays on them, but it seems more difficult to draw the flushes and full houses that allow you to play long sessions. I go to Ac fairly often, and I try to stay away from these machines if I can. I have more success on the older style machines at Golden Nugget, Trop, and Borgata.Nice post and input King, thanks......I am a little puzzled though, in that you claim you have in fact received "your share" of hand pays on the server based VP games;  what exactly do you mean by "your share"?  Have you actually gotten the expected number of Royals based on the total number of hands you have played thus far on server games?  That is to say, IF for example (and illustrative purposes) you have played a total of 240,000 hands SO FAR on server based VP games at CET,  have you received the statistically expected 6 or more ROYALS thus far?       Â I ask this because in my own case, and observations of other players playing at CET on the servers, I have not even seen anywhere near the expected PREMIUM hands including handpays!     to me, the CET server games just are total DRAINS that give back hardly anything.....now, I am sure that SOMEONE is winning the progressives that are displayed on various CET banks and games. but even with that it is still a dismal state of results.     I think this is POSSIBLY due not only to the funky way AC deals with video poker in general (as a SLOTs type game), but also has EVERYTHING to do with it just being CET, and the fact that CET is one of the more inept, poorly operated casino conglomerates in the WORLD and the company being BURIED under a insurmountable amount of debt....I would not put it past them to be cheating and the fact that the server games allow for a lot more manipulation and "messing around" with results makes it easier for a company like caesars to take advantage of the situation (a "situation" which now also includes a very weak division of gaming enforcement to actually put a stop to the type of possible activity I am alluding to here.....)NOTES1, regarding your general question on Server Based games:   Essentially the AC properties of caesars now have all their slots and video poker on A SERVER, instead of each single individual machine having its own computer chip and program to determine results for that individual single machine......in TODAY's AC casinos for CET, the SERVER does all the Random number generation for ALL MACHINES on the floor, applies the RNG results to the specific game program that the player chooses based on where he sits and where he puts his money, and yields the results to the players at their individual game "terminal"....the SERVER likewise means one single individual "tech" (or MAYBE 2 or 3 TOTAL instead of having "Shifts" of techs on call to service and repair all the games on the floor)  can now essentially oversee the ENTIRE casino floor of games, thus yielding a significant cost savings to the operations side of the equation for CET.       But it also means, theoretically, a casino on a server can "mess" with their games a lot easier, faster, with more subtlety and stealth, and unless a casino enforcement "officer" were standing right next to the server operator while he/she/it   perpetrated such malfeasance, the casino will most likely never be caught, unless the Casino Control Division/Commission makes it a real requirement to have casinos submit LOGS of all server activity and settings and they actually READ and review such submissions and followup investigate and pursue any discrepancies!!!!    Not likely at all to happen!![/QUOTE]

"My share" was perhaps a poor choice of words. What I meant that I still get hand pays every now and then on the server based machines, they have not been a total bust. I've even had some fairly large ones. But they are fewer and further between since CET switched out all the old machines, and my buy-in does not last nearly as long due to the seemingly less frequent intermediate hands, such as flushes and full houses. I do not keep detailed records like some people here, so I cannot tell you hit frequency of royals, etc.

[FAA]

Same here, King. It's been feast or famine in CETville. What good is a jackpot if you give it back in six months with more busts than Canton?

[FAA]

5 hrs at Borgata on $1 9/6 jacks yesterday. Never up or down more than $200. Cashed out even, but got approx. $100 in
slot/comp dollars out of the session. Machine seemed random, normal
amount of quads, full houses etc. Older slant tops that are
not server based. Results this year, -$1,600. Still time to
get it back.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Car, any progress on the loss since last time? I will try sometime this weekend. What kind of budget do you allot? Five hours is quite a stretch.

[faygo]

putting ketchup on a Chicago style hot dog is a sin to everyone but me.

Putting ketchup on any Hot Dog is a sin.