Leaving Sunday 07-05

[FAA]

AC is not necessarily worth logging the extra miles for, of course. I'm there because of proximity and convenience. That said, glad to have finally listened to the voices of reason and pass on all the subpar VP experiences available. It was like Whack a Mole for a year and a half.

[DaBurglar]

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So when do you intend to visit AC and do you own "research" to counter my "opinions"???
At one time, we did visit AC somewhat regularly. But, we have not been there for about four years.

At the present time, returning to AC is not on our horizon. Our immediate gambling future involves Seneca Niagara, Seneca Allegheny, Casino Rama, Main Street Station, the M, and Harrah's Laughlin. All are now more attractive to us than AC.

[/QUOTE]OK  well I agree with you that the Nevada casinos you list are indeed worth more of your time and money than AC (unless you also like playing real LIVE poker  such as texas holdem and tournaments, in which case AC is the best option for that outside Vegas,,,,).But you listing the upstate New Yak Indian casinos like the Seneca Tribe holdings, with their class II "Bingo Video Poker machines".....surely AC is more worthwhile than these  Faux video poker destinations?!?!?     Unless of course, you truly TRULY enjoy something that places like Seneca Niagra have, like the warefalls for example???   the scenery?Folks, for those who still do not get it, my current personal view on AC is simply I still....STILL very much enjoy the BEACH/Boardwalk theme and scene that AC has to offer coupled with the 8 remaining casinos that comprise what's left of "the action".....I have abandoned any serious (or even semi-serious) video poker play at almost all AC casinos (exception being Borgata, but even that, when I am actually IN the borgata, I am almost always focused on real live POKER playing,)    I may, on my next trip, invest a smallish amount (like 300 bucks or less) in "revisiting" the video poker machines and games at Tropicana since they still have many of the old style IGT games and have not converted to server, plus the TROP is now fiscally solid and healthy and therefore has no desperate NEED to slam its video poker machines down into the lowest ranges (83-89%) of slot returns allowed by law in NJ.....in other words, they can (and hopefully DO) leave the games alone and rely solely on the paytable return%, so that we as the player are WYSIWYG  (what you see is what you get)Still, I have no evidence the trop is bent in one direction or another, and its also possible that, as is the case it seems with other AC casinos, you may have a vast MIX of games set at various return %.....in fact, the three former gaming commission employees I hung out with a couple months back explained to me that back in the mid 2000s (2006-2007)  when they were in the tail end of their careers, they often found some casinos sought to constantly mix it up and change week to week the return % on their inventory of machines on the floor, such that the mandated slot range of 83 to 99 % was utilized to make their machines constantly evolving in what each singl e machine paid out  week to week and month to month.....if a casinos like the TAJ has, for illustrative purposes, 3,100 slot machines (including video poker and keno),  the management may have a mix like 250 machines payout 83%, 500 machines payout 87%, 1000 machines payout 90%, 1000 machines payout 93% and the rest of the machines (350) spew out 97%.......and then the next month they might change it around a little or a lot......during a particularly HEAVY traffic busy period, such as the period from December 27 thru January 1, AC casinos were / are  NOTORIOUS, according to my friends, for totally slamming the return% on all machines,  having as high as 80% of the machines in the casino returning 83-85%  AND perhaps setting a handful, like 50, machines to spew out 99.9%  (or even well over 100% even though it is technically against the law, but only if the gaming comm catches them!  and only if the gaming comm knew to check a specific machine and could see the obscure variable setting denoting the return percent of the machine!)Lots of games and shenanigans are possible with these casinos, so everyone needs to beware at all times and take NOTHING for granted.

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seneca indian casinos are not NOT class 2, they are class 3. in NYS, the class 2 machines are run by the state.

[DaBurglar]

seneca indian casinos are not NOT class 2, they are class 3. in NYS, the class 2 machines are run by the state.ahhh   well thanks for clearing that up.....I was under the mistaken impression (derived from something I read HERE in this forum a while back)  that ALL video poker in New York state right now was class II......I overlooked the fact that the Seneca are in fact a sovereign nation and as such, can have whatever video poker they want on THEIR LANDS.Native North Americans (all tribes, in America And Canada, spanning from the time the first Spaniards landed down Mexico way in the early 1500s and made their way northward; to the 1607 Jamestown settlement; to the Pilgrims in 1620; throughout the encroachment that followed steadily westward as well as southward down from Canada by the French and English all the way to the 1890's arrests of the last Apache "rebels") ....  in my humble opinion, can never ever be compensated enough for the overall injustice(s), including theft, germ warfare and genocide, perpetrated upon them by the "christian" European Powers and their ancestors over a period of nearly four centuries.    They deserve a lot more than casinos.....

[onemoretry]

seneca indian casinos are not NOT class 2, they are class 3. in NYS, the class 2 machines are run by the state
Thanks for saving me the effort of pointing that out.

[notes1]

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seneca indian casinos are not NOT class 2, they are class 3. in NYS, the class 2 machines are run by the state
Thanks for saving me the effort of pointing that out.[/QUOTE]
 glad to assist. b/t/w, i have read your posts on nevada casinos, outside of vegas with interest. i just wish the time commitment was not so long. does not work well for us. any idea what they would do if one took the free plane out and bought a one way ticket back?

[onemoretry]

any idea what they would do if one took the free plane out and bought a one way ticket back?
We actually thought about doing that very thing last June - fly to Laughlin (actually, Bullhead City), stay and play in Laughlin, then, rent a car and drive to Vegas for several more days before flying home. We just couldn't get it all together.

We know that other people have done that same thing. We did discuss the possibility with our Laughlin host, who had no concerns at all with our doing it. The one caution he had is that you must fly out on their flight, rather than doing it in reverse and flying out on your own and hoping to get the free flight back.

[notes1]

[QUOTE=notes1]
any idea what they would do if one took the free plane out and bought a one way ticket back?
We actually thought about doing that very thing last June - fly to Laughlin (actually, Bullhead City), stay and play in Laughlin, then, rent a car and drive to Vegas for several more days before flying home. We just couldn't get it all together.

We know that other people have done that same thing. We did discuss the possibility with our Laughlin host, who had no concerns at all with our doing it. The one caution he had is that you must fly out on their flight, rather than doing it in reverse and flying out on your own and hoping to get the free flight back. [/QUOTE]
 whenever i go to vegas, i always change hotels, to take advantage of free play that comes with room reservation only. agree, would take the charter outbound and buy the return flight. just wondering about having a reservation at one CET property, while also making another, in a different city.

[KingofAmerica]

I'm not sure about DaBurglar's theories about AC, but I do agree with him on one thing: Based on my experiences, it sure SEEMS like it's harder to win on the new server-based games installed at the CET properties. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten my share of hand pays on them, but it seems more difficult to draw the flushes and full houses that allow you to play long sessions. I go to Ac fairly often, and I try to stay away from these machines if I can. I have more success on the older style machines at Golden Nugget, Trop, and Borgata.

[FAA]

King, you know the score. I definitely have a dim view of CET, despite my Jan RF. It's best to focus on the King casino in town, where you will be treated in your accustomed regal manner. And have a better chance at winning. Golden Nugget and Tropicana are mere pretenders to the throne.