Leaving Sunday 07-05

[onemoretry]

   Video Poker is a "SLOT" game as far as everyone is concerned in AC (casinos, management, AND the friggin gaming comm....again, what's left of it!)   The stated range for a slot in NJ is anywhere from 83% up to 99+%  (but always less than 100%, supposedly)......this means that, REGARDLESS of what the paytable and any given videopoker machine/game states, the casino CAN, if it chooses (and most of them do) set the game to return FAR FAR les.
You forgot the "in my opinion " preface

[FAA]

some casinos have MORE "slottified" VP games than others, so the
challenge is to find that one (or handful) of the VP games that are
still set the way we all assume they are set (i.e. the way a NEVADA game
is set)...and again, it SEEMS  Borgata simply keeps its Video
Poker they way we expect it to be kept, although this does not preclude
them from possibly messing with a few/some/many of its games if and when need arises.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DB, I confess to having my doubts about all of your points. I stand corrected. I fully concur with your opinions and findings, after two consecutive successful Borgata trips in the past two weeks. Small sample size, granted. Painful to extrapolate my gains had I been a high roller. Even when I hit a rough patch, a temporary bump before I rebounded with a premium hand to preserve most of my gains. Why get slammed everywhere else in town? They mix a mean cocktail to boot. Boyd oh Boyd!

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar]   Video Poker is a "SLOT" game as far as everyone is concerned in AC (casinos, management, AND the friggin gaming comm....again, what's left of it!)   The stated range for a slot in NJ is anywhere from 83% up to 99+%  (but always less than 100%, supposedly)......this means that, REGARDLESS of what the paytable and any given videopoker machine/game states, the casino CAN, if it chooses (and most of them do) set the game to return FAR FAR les.
You forgot the "in my opinion " preface[/QUOTE]Well, then it is also a LOT of other people's opinions TOO, or their understanding and interpretation of things....Listen Onemoretry (or whatever your name is),  go to AC, visit several of the casinos and ask in each casino several different pit bosses, slot managers or casino execs (whoever you can find just makes sure they are wearing a suit and are some type of "MANAGEMENT Position Personel")     and ASK them about this exact issue:   What are the Video Poker games in your casino subject to in terms of return percentage?    Phrase the question however you wish.....I guarantee you will get answers that will blow your mind and prove that I am correct in what I saying.....I am positive in your discussions with whomever you choose to talk to, you will also discover that, it is NOT just my opinion, but a fact, that they consider and regard Video POKER as just another form of SLOTS.     I guarantee, at least 2/3 of the people who you talk to as Casino management will harbor this "understanding" or perception of things, the other 1/3 might....MIGHT actually understand that Video Poker is NOT a slot but they will still think it falls within the 83 to 99% acceptable return range.THEN, visit the NJ Casino Control office, located on...........eh, you know where it is........it might no longer even be open or staffed, who knows.   If it is shuttered or empty, then you could either try to call the number(s) displayed on the door, or you could visit the STate police Barracks in Trenton (which was doubling as the HQ for NJ Gaming ENFORCEMENT  although I heard last April they were trying to move to a building in Northern Jersey/Newark near the local State Attorney General's branch office for that region......good luck finding it..... )You can continue to dismiss what I am saying, but until you actually go and do some leg work and see what is the everyday REALITY in AC, your criticism holds no water.

[FAA]

DB, your reply was quite logical. If you are not actually in town gambling, preferably at multiple venues, you lack the field work expertise to venture an educated opinion. Despite the nice hand pays I see each visit at CET's venues, I feel that overall their VP fails to keep players in the game for any significant amount of time. If you're not feasting, the famine is in full swing. Your advice was spot on. I may have turned the corner by turning my back on CET. So glad I was not gambling from 2010-2013. I missed out on a ton of AC losing.

[onemoretry]

DB, your reply was quite logical. If you are not actually in town gambling, preferably at multiple venues, you lack the field work expertise to venture an educated opinion.

I was not venturing an opinion. I was commenting on the fact that he was venturing an opinion, and presenting it as fact.

[FAA]

Yes you did, I understand now. While he also agreed with your caveat, he took it as an opportunity to expound on his soap box as is his wont. I agree with both of you, then.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=FAA]
DB, your reply was quite logical. If you are not actually in town gambling, preferably at multiple venues, you lack the field work expertise to venture an educated opinion.

I was not venturing an opinion. I was commenting on the fact that he was venturing an opinion, and presenting it as fact.[/QUOTE]If you accept anything anyone here says as FACT that you yourself also do no tknow to be a ...FACT.....then that's your problem.You only interpret my posts as stating a "FACT" simply because it makes it easier for you to disagree with it, or take issue with it, or whatever else you want to do.....Unless otherwise told, or unless i KNOW otherwise, I take everyone's post(s) here as simply THEIR personal take on whatever the topic is.....if I happen to agree, great, if not, I say why, etc.So when do you intend to visit AC and do you own "research" to counter my "opinions"???

[DaBurglar]

Bottom line:   AC video POKER remains statistically ABERRATIONAL, returning WAY WAY below the OUTERMOST accepted (3 standard deviations)  lowest threshold a player has a right to expect based on advertised paytables.The reason(s) for this remain clouded, but clearly something is OBVIOUSLY different (in a very BAD way for players) with AC video Poker versus a place like Nevada (Vegas, reno  etc)   I refused to believe waht I was seeing for a long time, and even when I began to uncover what I have come to regard as the "truth" about AC video poker, I still hedged and gave credence to the blowhards who without question defend the video poker "industry", who insist there is just no way things could be anything but what they are supposed to be!!!!Not anymore.......I've eliminated almost all my VP play in AC but continue to accumulate evidence pointing to the truth in AC....

[FAA]

I have zero experience w live poker so I cannot readily flip the switch. My roll wouldn't support it anyway. I have played VP everywhere in town except Taj Mahal; welcome any TM feedback. Hang on for another film reference: it was like the Awakenings moment when I played at Big B.

[onemoretry]

So when do you intend to visit AC and do you own "research" to counter my "opinions"???
At one time, we did visit AC somewhat regularly. But, we have not been there for about four years.

At the present time, returning to AC is not on our horizon. Our immediate gambling future involves Seneca Niagara, Seneca Allegheny, Casino Rama, Main Street Station, the M, and Harrah's Laughlin. All are now more attractive to us than AC.