spotted a new game

[Cocomo]

Hey out there... I just spotted a new game at Hollywood casino.. called Lucky Quads... havent played it yet... but looks pretty cool.. any1 out there familiar with it or have U seen it?? Might make a nice new addition

[Mello777]

sounds good to me, I will keep a look out for it in RENO, CARSON CITY,, an VEGAS later in the month of Aug..   thanks for the heads up.

[player_34765]

They also have a new game at Hollywood where you can play both a double double bonus game and a deuces wild bonus game on the same hand. I have played it a little but have no idea how you would figure out how to play it correctly. You rarely would play the same way between the two games. The paytables are higher than they would normally be if the games were standalone games. Anyone seen a game like this before, or how you would even begin how to play it correctly?

[buggaboo]

Sounds cool

[cubbyfan]

I will look for it!!!

[Vman96]

They also have a new game at Hollywood where you can play both a double double bonus game and a deuces wild bonus game on the same hand. I have played it a little but have no idea how you would figure out how to play it correctly. You rarely would play the same way between the two games. The paytables are higher than they would normally be if the games were standalone games. Anyone seen a game like this before, or how you would even begin how to play it correctly?

Unfortunately without a custom program, it will be hard to figure out in entire detail. Offhand I would think that most hands with a deuce go with deuces wild strategy and most hands without go with a DDB strategy.

But a quick look at DDB vs. Bonus Deuces, avoiding two or more offsuit high cards looks to be a good idea because holding two offsuit high cards hurts deuces equity a lot.

So if you had KJ864...I would just hold the Jack.

[BobDancer]

They also have a new game at Hollywood where you can play both a double double bonus game and a deuces wild bonus game on the same hand. I have played it a little but have no idea how you would figure out how to play it correctly. You rarely would play the same way between the two games. The paytables are higher than they would normally be if the games were standalone games. Anyone seen a game like this before, or how you would even begin how to play it correctly?

 [/QUOTE]It'll take some work, but it's a feasible project to work out a strategy. You'll need a program such as WinPoker or Video Poker for Winners.Pick out 20 hands that you think might vary in strategy --- such as 'AKQ' JJ, or AAA33, or 34579, or KJ864. First set the payoff schedule to the DDB pay schedule. Check out each of the hands for the two or three "reasonable" plays given you are playing two games at once. Record these figures on an Excel spread sheet.Now change the pay schedule for the Bonus Deuces game and go through the identical exercise again --- using the same Excel spread sheet. Sum up the EVs for the two games and the play that's best will have the highest sum of EVs. Although I haven't gone through this exercise, it seems likely that if you do this for the "problem" hands, pretty soon you'll get a good intuitive feel for the appropriate strategy.It also seems to me that many of the plays would be identical in the two games. Personally, I would first check with the manufacturer or slot director to see how much the game was worth. If it was a 98% game, I wouldn't bother because even if I learned to play it well I would still be at a huge disadvantage. If it was a 99.5% game and the casino had a slot club and other goodies, it might be worth my time to figure it out

[Vman96]

[QUOTE=player_34765] They also have a new game at Hollywood where you can play both a double double bonus game and a deuces wild bonus game on the same hand. I have played it a little but have no idea how you would figure out how to play it correctly. You rarely would play the same way between the two games. The paytables are higher than they would normally be if the games were standalone games. Anyone seen a game like this before, or how you would even begin how to play it correctly?

 It'll take some work, but it's a feasible project to work out a strategy. You'll need a program such as WinPoker or Video Poker for Winners.Pick out 20 hands that you think might vary in strategy --- such as 'AKQ' JJ, or AAA33, or 34579, or KJ864. First set the payoff schedule to the DDB pay schedule. Check out each of the hands for the two or three "reasonable" plays given you are playing two games at once. Record these figures on an Excel spread sheet.Now change the pay schedule for the Bonus Deuces game and go through the identical exercise again --- using the same Excel spread sheet. Sum up the EVs for the two games and the play that's best will have the highest sum of EVs. Although I haven't gone through this exercise, it seems likely that if you do this for the "problem" hands, pretty soon you'll get a good intuitive feel for the appropriate strategy.It also seems to me that many of the plays would be identical in the two games. Personally, I would first check with the manufacturer or slot director to see how much the game was worth. If it was a 98% game, I wouldn't bother because even if I learned to play it well I would still be at a huge disadvantage. If it was a 99.5% game and the casino had a slot club and other goodies, it might be worth my time to figure it out[/QUOTE]

Yeah, without creating a "custom" program this is the best way to get a rough idea of the strategy. Good use of KJ864, btw...

Unfortunately, I can't think of a game created the last few years that has a 99%+ paytable in actual existence.

The two newest games I can think of that have 99%+ games somewhere in the country are Ultimate X and Double STP (both ~5 years old). According to the IGT media sheet, "Hot Roll Poker" (a 2014 game) supposedly allows games up to 99.96% (probably 40/10/6 DDB, and maybe APDW) and surprisingly forbids games lower than 9/6/4 Double Bonus (96.38%), but the highest I've actually seen casinos actually offer so far is 98.8% Bonus Deuces at quarters+ (Red Rock/GVR and Hollywood Casino in St. Louis).   

Edit: Apparently this game can also offer a paytable up to 99.79% according to Mike Shackleford. But unfortunately, he understandably doesn't bother to compute a strategy for it. If it became really popular ala Ultimate X, then maybe he or JB might do it.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... al-action/


The interesting thing to note, however, is that the deuces game is given more generous payouts. Most are 100%+ given optimal strategy. The non-wild games mainly drive the house edge. I played this game in Feb. at Red Rock briefly for "fun", apparently I picked one of the lowest paytables, 96.32%, for nickels. Oops.

[player_34765]

Thanks for all the feedback. I think maybe I'll stick to the games I know. From what I remember it seems the double double bonus game was 8/5 however it payed more for the four of a kinds, like 2,3,4's 100 per coin, and Aces 200 per coin, and Aces with Kicker 500 per coin, and it played more for the straight flush as well. Overall I would say between the two games it was between 98% and 99% with learning the proper strategy. It was a fun game to play though.

[Hours]

Interesting