HELLO BOB DANCER......

[Carcounter]

I don't know about everyone else, but I've been playing less often, even though my casino of choice, the Borgata has 99.69% and 99.5% games and a nice playing environment. Just haven't been lucky this year. Have seen other people hit jackpots, but am personally in a royal and quad desert. Now that the weather will get worse, will I go back to playing once or twice a week once golf season is over? I really don't know, but if my luck doesn't change soon, I'll definitely find something else to do.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Carcounter]I really don't know, but if my luck doesn't change soon, I'll definitely find something else to do.[/quote]I've been there many many times, but I never seem to pull it off.  I really get a lot of enjoyment out of playing and it gives me something to do.  That's why I had to figure out  some way to play that didn't cost me a lot.   If you're going to be an addict like me, you need to find cheap drugs.  

[FAA]

The worse possible scenario is to play max coins all day, lose your butt
and switch to Cheap Strategy. Even worse is to play Cheap all day and
at the end throw your money away on a flurry of max coin pot shots.  If
you do this you are guaranteed to be unhappy.  To play Cheap you must do it all the time and let the max coin jackpots happen on their own. 
It's really very simple and it works.  Is it as much fun? Hell No!
Can you consistently come close to breaking even or making a small
profit? Yes.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Phil, my loopy system is as scattershot as the RNG. I start at two, venture into three and four, do a max, come back down to one or two. Rinse, repeat. It's a decent money saver, but as I've painfully learned, hardly the rock bottom money saver of CS! Max coining is folly, no doubt. I'm sure I'd break even on CS. I just need the discipline to start off on it and not run there as a last resort to clock more time for cosmetic reasons with the casino. Again, the key phrase in your post is "all the time." I'm sure if I did CS for two hours I'd eventually lose patience and go the max flurry route and nearly bust in short order. I know it works. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.

[FAA]

Borgata has 99.69% and 99.5% games and a nice playing environment.
Just haven't been lucky this year. Have seen other people hit jackpots,
but am personally in a royal and quad desert.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Very bad luck indeed! Slow as I am, I get quads on an hourly basis, save for one unlucky session where I was shut out for almost three hours. And that was my fault for not getting off the damn machine! I have had losing sessions there too, but if you don't start out on the Cheap System path of endurance, the odds simply catch up with you after three hours even if you were up. When the jig is up, it's up. Anywhere near a Black Card?

[Carcounter]

Yeah, I have a black card, but at the rate I'm playing this year, it won't get renewed. Not a big deal to me, the only thing I use is the amphora lounge on occasion, plus the free parking.

[BobDancer]

If I spent as much time in casinos as he did, I might be a miserable Pr*ck too, I dunno.....BUT HEY, at least the one and only Blob Dancer deigned to get pissed off at me and feel obliged to tell me how absurd he thinks I am!    yesssssssss.......

I answered your post with a long thoughtful reply. The more knowledgeable players recognized it as containing useful information and commented as such. I was/am not angry at you. Calling me "Blob" is rather juvenile. People who know me do not consider me a "miserable Pr*ck"I explained why I disagreed with you. I did not insult you, although I did say I didn't admire the way you thought about gambling. You may have wanted more from my answer than I was able to give, but I tried my best to respond to your questions. I was trying to teach you something, but some folks are un-teachable.You, on the other hand, responded with insults. Is that the way you normally treat people who are trying to have a civil conversation with you? Has that way of treating people worked well for you?FP accuses me of having this sneaky methodology of extracting money from people who want to learn video poker. I guess I do. It's called talking about the games accurately and telling people how to win.And it works if you apply it.The very first premise in my writing is always "if you don't have the advantage, don't play." You and FP keep insisting on ignoring that advice and claiming my "system" doesn't work. It is your discipline, not my methodology, that is flawed.

[FAA]

I have a black card, but at the rate I'm playing this year, it won't get renewed.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I am a mere 989 points and eleven months away from a Black Card. It won't happen. The Amphora is amorphous for this low roller!

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BobDancer]You and FP keep insisting on ignoring that advice and claiming my
"system" doesn't work. It is your discipline, not my methodology, that
is flawed.[/quote]I never said your strategy would not work for you, I said your strategy will not work for 99% of today's video poker players.  Actually, you have stated this many times yourself.  No amount of strategy, methodology, talent or whatever you want to call it will make 100% games or high dollar comps magically appear where they are not available.  I stand by what I said about your marketing strategy.  Selling a strategy that gives players the impression that they can make money by following  it and telling them they won't be able to make it work is genius.  I agree your strategy of playing the best games well is worthwhile and has value, but I'm not buying the idea that Bob Dancer is so clever and skilled that mere mortals can't do the same thing given equal knowledge and opportunities. The disclaimer you use to "never play any game where you do not have the advantage" is factually correct.  However, just like 100% games and big comps this strategy is quickly going the way of the dinosaurs.  It's not your fault that players choose to ignore your disclaimer and forge ahead at their own peril.   I'm sorry if you take this as a personal attack.  It's not intended to be such, but these things need to be said.

[Carcounter]

I've always found Bob's advice and articles informative, but perhaps overly detailed for a recreational player. That's why he is a pro and we are not. I've used Winpoker to practice and cut down my mistakes and think it is invaluable, even to a recreational player. I adhered to his advice to not play without an edge for the time when AC had 100% plus games and did well. Won money 4 out of the first 5 years as a recreational player. Have lost money 4 of the last 5 yrs., not a lot and am still ahead overall. I don't think Phil was attacking Bob, I know where Phil plays in Florida , you are lucky to find a 99% game and his strategy will work for people in my opinion. When I play a 99.69, or 99.5% game, I will stick with full coin and hope for the best knowing I am playing the best games with the best strategy. That's all you can do if you continue to play..

[FloridaPhil]

I use VPW and find it to be a very valuable tool.  Bob Dancer lives in Vegas.  He made his fame and money in the heyday of video poker when 100% opportunities were available on every street corner.   For crying out loud, I remember when the Beau Rivage of all places had 9/6 jacks in quarters!    Today, Vegas still has some Dancer style opportunities but I'm sure he has seen big changes from the good old days.  Outside of Nevada you are lucky to find a 98% small denomination game much less 100%.  Comps have been cut to the bone and players are finding other things to do with their time and money.   If you want to survive in my world, you need to play the right game as cheaply as possible.  This means playing single coin for 90% of your hands and max coins 10%.  This cuts the odds by about 2% overall but your max coin hits boost your wallet much more than wanting for a royal flush.   I invite anyone who wants to watch me play to see how much better this works than pumping max coins in the machine and going home broke most of the time.  I actually like Bob Dancer. He has done much for video poker players and we owe him a debt of gratitude.  However, before you dive into his strategy with both feet you need to ask yourself if you are playing on the same playing field. My guess is no...