Florida Phil's Obsession with Me

[BobDancer]

Bob, I didn't intend to hijack the thread you started and turn this into a discussion about the M.
Sorry!!

No problem. Several good points were brought up by several different people. It was a more productive discussion than most on this site.

[onemoretry]

However, it is four points needed for every ONE tier credit towards player's card status, but only for VP players. Slot players do not get dinged like this in earning tier credits.

My understanding is that it is three, not four.

Perhaps it's different for dollar players vs quarters?

[alpax]

[QUOTE=DougJ]
However, it is four points needed for every ONE tier credit towards player's card status, but only for VP players. Slot players do not get dinged like this in earning tier credits.

My understanding is that it is three, not four.

Perhaps it's different for dollar players vs quarters?[/QUOTE]

OMT has been to the M Resort recently and DougJ goes every two months. Mr. Dancer can easily get there but with the SouthPoint around there is no need. I wish I can find out the exact number.

My mailer says Full Pay games are excluded in the Double Points promotion. The only Full Pay games they have is 9/6 DDB, 9/7 DB, 8/5 BP, and 8/5 ACE$ BP. Are those machines $4 coin in per tier point?

DougJ mentions about playing 25-13-4-3-3-1-1 Bonus Deuces Wild, maybe that is $3 coin in per tier point and eligible for 2x points? OMT played 3 play 25c Airport Deuces Porgressive and verified 2x points works for that.

Other than that, I assumed you guys were in Executive Producer since it is required to be assigned a casino host. If I could get half of the offers that DougJ and his spouse got, I would not feel the need to get into Executive Producer though I think its a huge step up from the lower tiers.



Yes, it is at a different earning rate. However, ALL of M's Video Poker machines will earn points. It is my understanding that at some casinos, some VP machines are not point-earning machines.

Also, I'm sure you know that it is far less than 3000 points for a free buffet and gift of the day.
You can earn a free buffet for as little as 500 points, for weekday lunch. **And, of course, you keep your points.

You can earn up to 3 free gifts per day, AND M still does not "take" your points. The points are "held" and then "released" back into your account at the end of the gaming day. You just need to earn enough points, as you said, to cover both the free buffet and the free gift(s) for that day.
FYI, M has a gift giveaway approximately 200 days/year.

Whether players make the most of their higher status cards . . . I guess that depends on if you like cruises. Otherwise, there is no VIP lounge to speak of. Before Penn Gaming took over from the Marnell family, the lounge used to have light snacks and soda.
Today, you will find bottled water. Oh, and coffee/tea, but only on the weekends. NO food at all.


I appreciate this and all the information that you have provided about the M Resort. The last time I was there, it was on a Sunday night so it was 2000 points for the Seafood Buffet Dinner (not a big fan of buffets, but this is an exception) and the gift of the day was an umbrella for 1000 points (wish I can grab more). That is how I derived the 3000 points, but it is good to know you can collect 3 of the gifts and the player keeps the points. I knew I could keep my points for the Studio B Buffet, unfortunately the Palms casino does not for their Play for Buffet promotions.


[QUOTE=DougJ]

Bob, I didn't intend to hijack the thread you started and turn this into a discussion about the M.
Sorry!!

No problem. Several good points were brought up by several different people. It was a more productive discussion than most on this site.[/QUOTE]

I too wish to see more of these discussions. DougJ has given us a great example of how holding off for the RIGHT investment can be more beneficial. Patience is a virtue not many people have.

[DougJ]

[QUOTE=DougJ]
However, it is four points needed for every ONE tier credit towards player's card status, but only for VP players. Slot players do not get dinged like this in earning tier credits.

My understanding is that it is three, not four.

Perhaps it's different for dollar players vs quarters?[/QUOTE]

My conclusion is: I have no idea who is correct.

The M does not publicize anywhere how many points it takes to earn a tier credit if you play VP. We asked our host what is the tier credit earning rate (this was about a year ago that we asked), and was told it was four points for one tier credit. The host could have been wrong, or it has changed in the past year?

[DougJ]

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My mailer says Full Pay games are excluded in the Double Points promotion. The only Full Pay games they have is 9/6 DDB, 9/7 DB, 8/5 BP, and 8/5 ACE$ BP. Are those machines $4 coin in per tier point?
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the gift of the day was an umbrella for 1000 points (wish I can grab more). . .

I too wish to see more of these discussions. DougJ has given us a great example of how holding off for the RIGHT investment can be more beneficial. Patience is a virtue not many people have.

Interesting! I don't recall ever seeing a mailer that says full pay games are excluded from earning double points. I normally play Deuces Wild Bonus, but also sometimes the 9/6 DDB at dollars. They both earn double points, AFAIK, because my spouse and I typically write down our ending account balance at the end of each day. By 10 a.m. the following day, the doubled points are there, and I haven't noticed that we were not earning doubled points on DDB.

LOVED your comment about getting a free M umbrella. Was it the white one with brown letter M's all over?

FYI, besides M's 200 days per year in which they have gift giveaways, they also hold a "Warehouse Blowout", which occurs about five times a year. The next one is Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Everyone gets one "gift" at the blowout, and then you can earn up to six more gifts (I think it is 300 points for each gift, a lower rate than the 1000 points needed for normal gift giveaways).

At the last Warehouse Blowout, they had hundreds of the M umbrellas for giveaways. You could have taken six umbrellas for your six gift tickets!
The joke amongst the locals at the event: why do we need an umbrella living in Vegas? Few takers!

Finally, I respect the fact that Florida Phil prefers to gamble every week, his "entertainment" budget.
To each their own.
I don't mind driving past the four casinos in my hometown every week, knowing that I am going to have a far better experience just saving up for Vegas.
Besides, the weather is far nicer in Vegas than here!

[alpax]

Interesting! I don't recall ever seeing a mailer that says full pay games are excluded from earning double points. I normally play Deuces Wild Bonus, but also sometimes the 9/6 DDB at dollars. They both earn double points, AFAIK, because my spouse and I typically write down our ending account balance at the end of each day. By 10 a.m. the following day, the doubled points are there, and I haven't noticed that we were not earning doubled points on DDB.



I took a picture of the Summer mailer from a previous thread. On the bottom of the finer print, it says the exclusion clause about selected Full Pay machines.



[QUOTE]
LOVED your comment about getting a free M umbrella. Was it the white one with brown letter M's all over?

FYI, besides M's 200 days per year in which they have gift giveaways, they also hold a "Warehouse Blowout", which occurs about five times a year. The next one is Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Everyone gets one "gift" at the blowout, and then you can earn up to six more gifts (I think it is 300 points for each gift, a lower rate than the 1000 points needed for normal gift giveaways).

At the last Warehouse Blowout, they had hundreds of the M umbrellas for giveaways. You could have taken six umbrellas for your six gift tickets!
The joke amongst the locals at the event: why do we need an umbrella living in Vegas? Few takers!

[/QUOTE]

It was actually solid black color with the M Resort logo Las Vegas in white letting. I usually like things in one solid color so it I liked it. I'll take a picture when I get the chance. It hardly ever rains in California/Arizona/Nevada region, maybe 5 times a year at most so I'm sure most locals did not like it (this past summer it was 100+ degrees Farenheight every day). It will come in handy some how, I think I was only able to get one right before the Marquee Rewards desk closed.

The M Resort posts their gift schedule online

Great Gifts at M Resort

20 out of 30 days in a month, the odds of getting a gift are good!

I think the Fall mailer mentions about the great gift giveaway. It might be surplus of goods. The kicker is that Exclusive Producer and ICON tier members can get first dibbs on the gifts.

[QUOTE]

Finally, I respect the fact that Florida Phil prefers to gamble every week, his "entertainment" budget.
To each their own.
I don't mind driving past the four casinos in my hometown every week, knowing that I am going to have a far better experience just saving up for Vegas.
Besides, the weather is far nicer in Vegas than here!

[/QUOTE]

I was slightly stunned when FP revealed about a successful business venture yesterday and believes its worth exceeds the winnings Mr. Dancer had as a professional VP player. Though I will not question the financial statuses of any person, I am stunned that to see someone so grounded. I always thought that FP was living off of a limited retirement plan and social security insurance checks, hence the need for the CS approach to play the game.

For sure Vegas market is so competitive in the locals market that they offer so much more value to the players compared to the Native American Tribal casinos. If a person like you is patient enough, it is clearly the better play to play in Vegas by a long shot if the travel costs is not too high.

[DougJ]

alpax,
Thanks for posting a photo of the mailer. Oh my, I have never noticed that little disclaimer at the bottom.
I don't play DDB very often at M, but apparently we haven't been receiving double points on it?

As far as I can tell, the "warehouse blowouts" (giant gift giveaways) are leftover gifts from previous months. I seem to recall lots of M branded luggage at the last event, which was definitely left over from the prior month's daily giveaways. The only thing that is never leftover is all of the alcoholic gifts. It seems like many days, it is bottles of Absolut Vodka, or wine.

[DaBurglar]

very good thread.......so many different topics covered, tough to say which is most valuable or "best"....I appreciated the whole debate about "flying to Vegas versus playing at a local casino"....for me this has particular relevance which I have previously talked about as I attempt to defend myself against people who attack me for playing in AC when I have determined that the AC video poker games are operating on some other statistical premise than Nevada games/casinos.    My answer is simply that it is EASIER for me to go to AC on a bus than it is to fly across country to Vegas or Reno.  When I lived and worked in Los Angeles for 15 years (1992 thru 2007) I was in Vegas or Reno twice a month (for work and play) for 5-7 days at a time....obviously I never "flew" from L.A.  to AC during this time, even though I LOVE AC's layout, atmosphere and its beach/boardwalk vibe & scene.   Now that I am closer to AC, the tables are turned.......PLUS, flying is a huge pain in the arse for me given my physical circumstances, so my trips to Vegas (as much as I still enjoy Vegas) are few and far between, even with the lousy statistical aberrations going on with AC video poker.As far as "systems" go, I have long correctly understood Bob's  "System", and I have said as much in many different threads but for many reasons Bob always kept getting annoyed with me MAINLY due to Semantics......there are more than one way to describe most systems and issues with respect to Video Poker.      I've known for a long time that whatever success Bob enjoys with his system is due in large part to what he once alluded to here as his "insider knowledge" on various issues/benefits/tactics that exist within the casino system and he is able to leverage to his benefit while he pursues his video poker playing......THAT cannot be understated or undersold in comprehending how Bob does what he does......as far as specifics in what this "insider" stuff is, obviously BOB does not want to share this part since this is what truly differentiates himself from everyone else (although some of us can possibly figure out what this stuff might be, but why bother?   it is a package deal with Bob, everything else fits and complements everything else;  his perfect play complements his strategy on where and when and how long to play base don promos and perks and freebies, etc etc.  and the "insider" stuff is the glue which holds it all together.)     And as he has laboriously explained, Bob's system is really more of a LIFESTYLE than a system.....one which does not interest most people, but so what?FLORIDAPHIL has a system too, and this ALSO fits his lifestyle......I've never employed the single coin strategy so I will never criticize it for that single reason.....but just as I know Bob's lifestyle is not one I am interested in for myself, likewise with Phil's single coin system.   Now this does not mean I am too proud to select specific bits and pieces from each guy that I can possibly use in my own "system" or style......I have and will continue to do so.....As for making comments like whether or not someone's profession or lifestyle is "honorable" or "moral", I find this a tad uncomfortable.    "Judged not lest ye be judged" said a great man, philosopher and divine host-at-large, so I try to adhere to that......but still, in reality, we all make "judgements" all the time, so it can be a little perplexing.   Again, it all comes back to lifestyle:    Neither Floridaphil nor Bob  is going to win any Humanitarian of the Year awards for promoting (or destroying) any particular "System" for playing video poker.    I myself only play VP and in Casinos these days simply as a means to an end, the end being spending most of my recreational time in Atlantic City and the surrounding area simply because I LIKE being there, I like the atmosphere, the environs, the OCEAN, the food, and most of all I LIKE the fact I can get around EXTREMELY well and easily given my physical disability......this factor is probably lost on people but believe me, it is EVERYTHING when you have to deal with it......I actually think Bob might "get" this part simply because, living in Vegas, he sees a litany of old people on scooters and wheelchairs and using handivans, so he knows casinos are BIG on accesibility, and the AC casinos, if they did nothing else, they turned the AC boardwalk and the city itself into a fairly accessible place for cripples like me!!! As for Umbrellas with a casino's logo on them, forget it.....I no longer allow myself to utilitze ANYthing that has a casino logo on it......they will not use me as a free advertising schmuck unless they PAY me!

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar everytime you try and persuade roveer(or anyone else for that matter) to play at other Atlantic City casinos you are being usedas free advertising by those same casinos. That is unless of course those same casinos are slipping you an endorcement fee?

Judged not lest ye be judged? And you try to adhere to that? Thanks for the Friday funny...

[Carcounter]

The paytables at the Borgata for VP are just as good if not better than the majority of the big strip properties in Las Vegas. You have to go off the strip to find the better paytables. Since I am always with family/friends who want to stay on the strip when I go to LV, I am no longer excited about playing VP on those trips as I find it difficult to get away for any decent amount of time to play at the Palms, Green Valley Ranch, Red Rock Station etc.So I do tourist stuff with them and enjoy myself anyway on those trips. Try to play the .25 99.2% Loose Deuces at MB as we usually stay there. I see there is $1.00 9/6 JOB at the high limit room at Luxor so will try that next time. Used to be 10/6 DDB in various denoms at Excalibur some time ago, but not on the VP Free data base so I assume they are gone. As far as Bob Dancer is concerned, I have followed his advice on finding the best paytables, practicing to eliminate mistakes, looking for promotions etc. Has worked out good for me and I think it is sound advice for anyone. I understand that there are awful paytables in parts of the country, looks like Florida leads the way in that regard, but personally I will not play anything less than 99%. Just the way I am. Once drove 4 hours to Foxwoods and Moghegan Sun years ago, didn't see any good paytables, had dinner and went home. Didn't play anything. Everyone has a different comfort level with this, so I wouldn'y look down on anyone's "system".