Florida Phil's Obsession with Me

[alpax]

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[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]The biggest misunderstanding Mr. Dancer has with CS is that with all the
mentioning of $1000 quad deuces; he knows it can only be achieved with
max betting dollar denomination. So his assumption is that you go from
single quarter to max dollars. Of course you lose more money doing that.[/quote]I think you're right about this.  Mr. Dancer is a busy guy.  What happens is he drops by this forum on occasion, reads a few lines of one post and jumps into full "Shock and Awe" mode.  This is not an attack on Bob Dancer.  He isn't a regular part of this forum and doesn't take the time to fully understand the Genesis of CS or why it exists in the first place.  I only wish he would tone down his critiques to a point where it doesn't always infuriate people.It has taken me three years to develop and fine tune this strategy and the switch to dollar play option has been recently modified.  I play this way because I enjoy it and I honestly don't care if I lose money long term.  I play for recreation only and the thrill of having it work as described is worth the cost to me.  It works just fine for me, but I realize some people may not have my luck.I agreed not to promote CS on this forum and I will not.  I was only responding to a post.  If anyone wants to discuss it, I will be happy to on the Recreational Play Forum.

[FAA]

That's pretty much it, alpax. Thanks for simplifying the matter. 

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]The biggest misunderstanding Mr. Dancer has with CS is that with all the
mentioning of $1000 quad deuces; he knows it can only be achieved with
max betting dollar denomination.[/quote]I can see how this misunderstanding could happen, especially if you don't take the time to actually learn how it works.  I agreed not to promote CS on this forum.  If anyone wants to know how this happens, take it to the Recreational Forum.  Most misconceptions about CS are due to wrong assumptions and preconceived notions, not the actual facts.

[alpax]

That's pretty much it, alpax. Thanks for simplifying the matter. 



To be fair, Mr. Dancer did not seem to have much of an issue with FP playing C.S. It came to a point where Mr. Dancer saw so many posts where FP kept implying C.S. works better than playing max bet to a point where Mr. Dancer took exception. I will not discuss C.S. here but Mr. Dancer had to do what he had to do.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]To be fair, Mr. Dancer did not seem to have much of an issue with FP
playing C.S. It came to a point where Mr. Dancer saw so many posts where
FP kept implying C.S. works better than playing max bet to a point
where Mr. Dancer took exception. [/quote]The truth is I have no problem with Bob Dancer's strategy or methodology.   He gets his panties in a wad because he is comparing CS with max coins on a 100% overall game.  His negative comments about CS are understandable as Bob Dancer never plays anything but overall 100% video poker games.  CS was developed for use on 95-96% games which is the quarter odds standard on most games outside of Nevada. On those games CS has the edge because it's more important to reduce losses than maximize wins.  So, Bob is right and so am I.  The problem is we are discussing two different video poker worlds.  His answer is to never play anything but 100% overall games.  If you have 100% overall games available to you, by all means take Bob's advice.  If you're forced to play seriously negative games like I do most of the time, that advice is going to cost you money.  Flat betting max coins on a 95% video poker game is a bigger loser than playing CS at the same denomination.  CS is not in conflict with math or anyone except those who don't understand it.

[daily_double]

CS was developed for use on 95-96% games which is the quarter odds standard on most games outside of Nevada.

Where did you get that information from ? Provide your source please . I am just curious because here in the Midwest there are over 30 casinos that offer 98+% games for quarters.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=daily double]Where did you get that information from ? Provide your source please . I am just curious because here in the Midwest there are over 30 casinos that offer 98+% games for quarters. [/quote]During the past year we have played all over Florida, North Carolina, Mississippi and Colorado. In the last three years we took numerous video poker road trips through Missouri, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada, Connecticut and a few other states.  When I walk into a new casino, the first thing I do is check the quarter Deuces Wild single line quarter odds. Outside of Nevada and Colorado, the majority of the time the quarter pay schedule is what is commonly called "Fooler Deuces" (20,10,8,4,4,3,21,) or a similar version. This game pays in the 95-96% range at max coins. Every now and then you find "Super Fool Deuces" (20,12,8,4,3,3,21,) which is a 94% game.We used to take 3-4 fully comped visits to the Beau Rivage in Biloxi MS each year.  They would still fly us there for free every month if we would go.  The DW odds in this casino are the worst we have ever seen even in the high limit room.  The quarter DW odds in the rest of the MS casinos are also in the 95-96% range. The Margaritaville casino was the only casino where you had a chance and it went out of business because the other casinos were losing customers and used politics to shut it down.  As soon as it closed the rest of the casinos dropped their odds back down.  We recently spent a couple of days in the Cherokee NC casino.  Since our last visit, the quarter odds had been down graded at least a point all across the board.  I also know where the good pay schedules are.  Every decent player knows how to find them, but that doesn't mean you always get to play them.  A quarter player betting max coins is putting about $750 through a machine each hour.  If you play for three days straight, this adds up.  The best you can do playing max coin quarters is hit a $250 quad deuce once in a while or a $1,000 royal if you're real lucky. With odds like that, you can never beat this game flat betting max coins.

[Casino Knight]

FP. How to you think the CS would work against A/C "rigged" games?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Casino Knight]How to you think the CS would work against A/C "rigged" games?[/quote]I have never been to a casino if AC, but I seriously doubt the video poker games are rigged.  If I thought they were, I won't play there. Based on what I have read on this forum, I won't be going any time soon either.To answer your question more directly.  It would depend upon the odds I found at the denomination I wanted to play.  If the odds are over 98%, I would play max coin quarters and take my chances on multiple quad deuces or a royal.  If the odds were under 98%, I would currently play CS at the dollar level.  At this time, I greatly prefer CS dollar play as it gives me a much better chance at a $1,000 quad deuce or a $4,000 royal.  My bankroll is big enough to support dollar play now, so that's what I have been doing.  If your play  budget is too small for that, the quarter play strategy will save you some money over max coins and you might get lucky.