Give up a Full House? Did I mess up big time?

[brad441]

Hi Video Poker players! So on a 50cent, max bet (15+5 credits) three play, triple-double-bonus Wheel Poker (the one where slices are uncovered), I hit a full house (3 Aces and 2 Queens). Full house paid 30, three of a kind paid 10, four aces: 800, four aces w/kicker 2000 (or might have been 4000 can't recall).

So I was so excited to have all the slices uncovered, I subconsciously thought if I gave up the full house i wouldn't get the wheel spin (which I know has nothing to do with it), but I just quickly held the full house and took the 90 credits + the 1500 wheel win.

Now what I want to know is, how dumb was I to not go for four Aces and give up the full house? I would of had 30 credits anyway, so I figure I gave up a measley 60 credits ($30) to not have a chance at a lot more money.

Can someone confirm I messed up so I know next time what to do?

[onemoretry]

If you were, indeed, playing triple double bonus, where four aces with kicker pays 4000 credits, the "right" play is to toss the full house and go for the quad aces (hopefully with kicker). The fact that you're playing wheel poker would, I think, make going for the quad even more attractive.

The decision I struggle with in this game is, dealt three aces and a kicker, do you keep the kicker to maximize your chance to get four aces with kicker, or drop the kicker to double your chance to get a quad and a shot at the wheel?

[Tedlark]

The aces with a kicker payoff on triple double bonus is 4,000 credits but remember: there's no guarantee that you would have gotten a kicker if you went for the aces. Quad aces without a kicker pays 800 credits so maybe taking the 1,590 credits was a good thing?

[alpax]

onemoretry is correct as usual.

Simple rule to remember is, if a quad variant of the full/trips part of the full house is 12 times greater in payout, you go for the quad and throw away the full house since it is 1 in 23.5 chance you turn a trips in quads with exchanging 2 cards and you are on the positive side of the 50/50 balance.

Thus for all the 6 for 1 full house games go for a quad that pays 80 for 1 or greater since 80 is more than 12 folds than 6.

Most of the popular high variance games pay 160 for 1 on quad aces, hence it will usually be 12 times greater than the full house, so you almost certainly go for the quads on aces full full-house.

[notes1]

there is also the chance of holding 3 aces, that one would draw the ace and the kicker. only play single line but i always toss the kicker. don't care what the math says.

[BobDancer]

onemoretry is correct as usual.

Simple rule to remember is, if a quad variant of the full/trips part of the full house is 12 times greater in payout, you go for the quad and throw away the full house since it is 1 in 23.5 chance you turn a trips in quads with exchanging 2 cards and you are on the positive side of the 50/50 balance.

Thus for all the 6 for 1 full house games go for a quad that pays 80 for 1 or greater since 80 is more than 12 folds than 6.

Most of the popular high variance games pay 160 for 1 on quad aces, hence it will usually be 12 times greater than the full house, so you almost certainly go for the quads on aces full full-house.Rules of thumb are useful, but this one neglects the value of trips. When trips pay 10 instead of 15, it affects how high the quad payoff must be for it to make sense to break the full house.But with aces, it isn't close. Hold the trips. In TDB, hold a kicker. In DDB, don't.Also, with full houses only playing 30, consider giving up video poker and taking up bowling.Bob

[Galeygoo]

Also, with full houses only playing 30, consider giving up video poker and taking up bowling.BobEdited to add:  I enjoy a laugh; that's all this was meant to be.  We all play games that we enjoy and I'm guessing you enjoyed that game, Brad.  Why would you play it unless you did.  ....just sayin

[DaBurglar]

 
Also, with full houses only playing 30, consider giving up video poker and taking up bowling.BobGotta agree with Bub Dancer here on this one.......wtf is the point playing a paytable like that?     I mean, even if there is literally "NO OTHER CHOICE OF VP game in the area", even if that is the ONLY option.....do not play it!    It's not worth it, unless there literally is some sort of absurdly advantageous promotion or multiplier at work or attached or in the mix  (like for instance, if someone hits the full house that pays 30, they get some type of "bonus" or "prize" or whatever.......kinda like the infamous "Gold Mine Bonus Poker" which opens up to a "bonus" screen that guarantees at least 60 credits but typically pays out 70 to 100 credits, or more)......you get what I mean.Besides, if someone is that desperate to play VP that they feel justified in playing a paytable that pays only 30 for a fullhouse  because "THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS", then they very well probably have a gambling problem/addiction.....and from a purely financial/winning standpoint, they are better off playing slots when the return % of the Video poker paytables in the casino drops into the low 90s and beyond range (assuming, as is usually the case, that players' club card programs pay/earn at higher rates for SLOTS instead of VP......or possibly even table games.)Remember, perfect strategy on many Blackjack tables typically puts you at least in the 98-99% range (give or take)......that blows away VP paytables that shunt players into return% ranges belwo 97%, which are increasingly common and rife in today's casinos everywhere!

[Tedlark]

Um, Bub? DaBurglar by your own admission you were playing at 83%, should you be giving advice on gambling addiction?

[FAA]

perfect strategy on many Blackjack tables typically puts you at least in
the 98-99% range (give or take). That blows away VP paytables that
shunt players into return % ranges below 97%, which are increasingly
common and rife.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I certainly agree with this much. If VP goes below 98%, abandon the machines. Play perfect strategy Blackjack or limited betting Craps. You will have a better time with other people as well. Even blessed with 99.5%, I personally prefer to roll dice down a felt table once per visit. The cool lingo and personalized roll styles are pure entertainment! With your pay tables, you're already familiar with "the hard way."