TDB Hold Question

[saukkey]

ace only

[onemoretry]

If you are like me, and go on 3-4 day casino trips, the relatively few VP hands that I play are all based on good fortune. Sure a 9/7 is better than an 8/5, but the few extra spins will not matter much during a playing trip.

Think about it a bit. If you play four hours a day for four days at, say 600+ hands per hour, you will play close to 10000 hands on the trip.

Full houses and flushes each occur about once every 90 hands. In that 10000 hands you will likely hit 100 -120 of each. If you have a choice between a 9/7 game and an 8/5 one, and play the 8/5 one, you will lose approximately 1500 more credits than for the 9/7 game.

That's $375 if you're playing quarters. I suggest that, to a lot of players, $375 would "matter much".

[MPD001]

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If you are like me, and go on 3-4 day casino trips, the relatively few VP hands that I play are all based on good fortune. Sure a 9/7 is better than an 8/5, but the few extra spins will not matter much during a playing trip.

Think about it a bit. If you play four hours a day for four days at, say 600+ hands per hour, you will play close to 10000 hands on the trip.

Full houses and flushes each occur about once every 90 hands. In that 10000 hands you will likely hit 100 -120 of each. If you have a choice between a 9/7 game and an 8/5 one, and play the 8/5 one, you will lose approximately 1500 more credits than for the 9/7 game.

That's $375 if you're playing quarters. I suggest that, to a lot of players, $375 would "matter much".

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It sure would - if the player left with it. My guess is, though, it would be plowed back into the machine over the course of those four days. The result is the same. Unless you have some good fortune with premium hands, you cannot 'play the odds' and win over the short term.

[onemoretry]

It sure would - if the player left with it. My guess is, though, it would be plowed back into the machine over the course of those four days. The result is the same. Unless you have some good fortune with premium hands, you cannot 'play the odds' and win over the short term.
It's quite true that a player might choose to play longer with those extra dollars they have - or not.

Playing an hour or two more gives them several hundred more opportunities to hit one of the premium hands.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=MDP001]My opinion, in a word - hogwash.
If you play hundred of thousands of hands, then maybe the math
starts to take hold. If you are like me, and go on 3-4 day casino trips,
the relatively few VP hands that I play are all based on good fortune.
Sure a 9/7 is better than an 8/5, but the few extra spins will not
matter much during a playing trip.
For me, I also enjoy TDB, and getting lucky with an AWAK makes me smile.   [/quote]I agree.  We get all tied up in the odds, EV, perfect hands, who's winning and who's not and all the rest.  It's a fun diversion to play around with this stuff, but it doesn't mean much to most players.  The only people who really care are professionals and those who are selling strategy for a living. What good is it to play a 100% game if you are going to plow the money back into the high limit room for a thrill or throw it away on the wheel of fortune?  Most players are human beings not computers.  In the end, it doesn't really make a dime's worth of difference as long as feel like you're getting your money's worth.

[Vman96]

It sure would - if the player left with it. My guess is, though, it would be plowed back into the machine over the course of those four days. The result is the same. Unless you have some good fortune with premium hands, you cannot 'play the odds' and win over the short term.

With TDB, you're right, your session results are heavily tied to short term luck. But the person playing 9/7 TDB would average more "time on device" for their money and what hardcore VP player doesn't love that? Btw, they have 9/7 TDB at Gold Strike Tunica now!   

[FloridaPhil]

Playing games with better odds gives you more time on the device for sure.  Getting your shorts in a bunch because someone says you can't win with bad odds is a lot of worry about nothing. You can win on a machine with bad odds and lose on a machine with great odds. Unless you're a professional or are betting big money,  I think the effect of the odds is overblown.  That said, you should look for the best games and learn the best strategies, just don't lose sleep over it.

[Lionqueen]

Playing boring games like JOB is probably a good deal if you are losing (I never play it regardless). Winning streaks on games like TDB are what keep me playing. If it's a rough night I might switch to DDB but that's as safe as I will go. And with the multi-denominational machines I will generally adjust my bet rather than switch games. I don't do this for a living, I play for fun and winning $1,000 for AWAK on TDB is so much more exciting than $62.50. As far as strategy, years ago when I first was studying Bob Dancer I remember him stating that if you are going to vary away from the odds to be consistent. I don't ever hold 4 to a flush if I have a pair except on multi play games where I also have a face card but never if it's a pair of 2's, 3's or 4's or of course Aces or face cards. This has worked well for me over the years. I think you should learn as much as you can from the experts as there is so much good advice then tailor the iffy hands to your own liking. I've adjusted my strategy many times just like my husband does with his golf and it seems to work out when I find the one that works for me. I observe so many regular players doing the dumbest things you wonder how they can afford to keep playing - these people need the Pros like Mr. Dancer to learn the basics. I think keeping an A, 3 & 5 of the same suit is crazy and never do it unless there is a bonus pay for a straight flush. If I follow all the odds and miss out on a great win I also miss out on an exciting moment which is why I am there. (It's late, I'm full of cold medicines, I can't sleep so I'm ranting - I probably won't remember posting this). 😌

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Lionqueen] I don't do this for a living, I play for fun and winning $1,000 for AWAK on TDB is so much more exciting than $62.50. I think you should learn as much as you can from the experts as there
is so much good advice then tailor the iffy hands to your own liking.
I've adjusted my strategy many times just like my husband does with his
golf and it seems to work out when I find the one that works for me.[/quote]Thanks for posting your thoughts.  I agree with you.  Everyone plays for a different reason.   Applying expert advice to your own play is useful only if your goals are the same as the expert.

[onemoretry]

It's a fun diversion to play around with this stuff, but it doesn't mean much to most players.  The only people who really care are professionals and those who are selling strategy for a living.

I disagree. There are many, many, people who are not professionals or strategy sellers who, nevertheless care about pay tables, game returns, "correct" playing strategies, etc.