Harrahs AC

[doris13]

jeter if i'm there wednesday i'll look for you

[JT]

I've left a ticket or two on occasion. Not usually for much. But I've had security at the Taj deliver a ticket to my room once that I'd left at a machine in the high limit area late at night.   It was about a $400 ticket, I had gotten a hand pay and just went to bed, forgetting about the credits in the machine.   

[Carcounter]

In 2013, I hit a $5,500 dollar progressive at Bally's Park Place poker area. Given all the strange characters around me, I took notice of everyone after getting paid and proceeded to take a walk around the casino in very public areas just to see if anyone was following me. Then remembered I had $125 in credits left on the machine, within a minute or two went back and to no surprise the credits were gone. Felt really stupid and decided not to go to security. Have a feeling the attendant who paid me saw me leave without cashing out and he took advantage.

[Tedlark]

Yes, theft like this can happen anywhere and anytime. There is a Salvation Army Thrift Store near me where wallets are routinely filched from women's purses. Who would steal from people patronizing a Salvation Army Thrift Store?

I understand people will occasionally not think about such things but I am first and foremost responsible for my own self and property. Some other people may have a different outlook but if I get something stolen and I could have done something to prevent it then I have no one to blame but myself.

[Carcounter]

Yep, I felt I had no one to blame but myself for my faux pas.

[olds442jetaway]

     I hear you there Ted. If I screw up on watching my stuff, mea culpa. There is a special place downstairs for people who prey on the weak or poor.

[DaBurglar]

First let me say that I too feel bad for jeter's friend. Having said that I will also say that it is still ultimately the players responsibility to mind their machine and any credits which may reside inside this machine.

It would be nice if the culprits were caught and punished and it could still very well happen.

DaBurglar can you be taking such a strong stance because you too, once had this happen to you? My memory may be a bit fuzzy but I seem to remember you reporting that this also happened to you as well, am I wrong?NOPE TED, YOU MUST BE TOTALLY 100% HALLUCINATING and overcome with "fuzziness"....THIS NEVER EVER REMOTELY HAPPENED TO ME.    sorry to disappoint you.....In fact I am all for people bringing their own firearms with them to the casinos (the hell with Nevada or New Jersey state laws which prohibit ALL firearms from being on premise in ANY CASINO or gaming establishment.....the 2nd amendment is ABSOLUTE! if they are not going to do anything to safeguard me and my the hard earned money I have brought in to SQUANDER in their establishment, then I am taking matters totally into my own hands!   Woe unto the bastard who tries to cheat me, or any of YOU, at the poker table or on the casino floor!)

[DaBurglar]

Now after Ted finishes his knee jerk apoplectic reaction to my previous post (a intentional red herring designed to mock his HYPOCRITICAL (surprise) pretend "fuzziness" to my well known account and experience in vegas that mirrored this man's experience to a "T"), I will expand on a few points other people here have made.....Yes, OF COURSE, no one has said that each person is not responsible for themselves, their person and their possessions......and I certainly NEVER intimated or implied that, and neither did JETER in posting about his friends experience.    What I myself, and OTHERS in this thread, are being critical of is the absurd hypocrisy and apparent lack of concern on the part of HUGE casinos like the CET properties in both AC and Vegas.   For businesses that CLAIM to be all about customer experience and service, the reaction that Harrahs (and other similar places in similar situations) put forth is just ridiculous.....Think about it:  They advertise all about coming and having an absolute "good time", full of care free indulgences involving lots of booze (they practically pour it down your throat some times), tons of unhealthy food, second hand smoke and of course, GAMBLING with MONEY changing hands and floating all around......needless to say these circumstances invite a certain element of undesired consequences.  It seems only fair, and fitting, that these HUGE casinos go the extra mile to PREVENT anything that is preventable, and yes, THIS type of incident is indeed PREVENTABLE.Let me reiterate so that it is clear to those reading who just cannot let it go: it is obvious that each of us must pay attention to our surroundings and circumstances, and take responsibility for ourselves.....ALWAYS!   And we all consent, knowingly or not, when we frequent a casino with all of the above mentioned temptations and risks, to subjecting ourselves to this environment (i.e.  even if the casino does indeed pour booze down our throat, we still do not have to "swallow" in the figurative, illustrative sense.....nor do we have to invite ourselves to be a target for theft by flashing around money or behaving carelessly....) Nonetheless, I believe that we do have a right to a certain "EXPECTATION" of security and safety when we frequent a casino like a Harrahs or Caesars (and the states of Nevada and New jersey also agree with me on this expectation if you interpret their rules and regs for casinos correctly!  I have not read in detail other states but I imagine they all are similar....)  We all have a choice of where to go and if it is the custom of a place like Harrahs to say "too bad, not our problem, happens all the time" when something like this happens, then WHY ON EARTH should any of us ever go there again?     The fact is this:   If you look into the RULES and REGS of casinos in states like Nevada and New Jersey, and elsewhere, casinos are indeed REQUIRED to maintain a certain level of security and safety for all patrons and guests (indeed, this is one of the foremost requirements for issuing a GAMING LICENSE to a company in the first place), which is why I suggested that Jeter's friend (and anyone in the future who has this happen) file a report with the appropriate gaming authority.    Harrahs response to jeter's friend ("tough luck, happens all the time") is wrong on so many levels, REGARDLESS of what the friend did to bring this upon himself.Look at it another way, if a person leaves their door unlocked at night (which I hazard almost everyone has done at some point in their lives) and another person happens upon the unlocked door and decides to let themselves in and take a bunch of stuff, do the local law enforcement simply say "tough luck buddy, people do this all the time" and leave it at that?    OF COURSE NOT!   Obviously there is no deterence in any of THAT.......Harrahs flat out doing NOTHING to find and apprehend, or at least make note of the perpetrators so that the next time they show up to do this they are nailed, also does ABSOLUTELY nothing to deter it from happening again, and probably ENCOURAGES it because the perps say "wow what moronic lazy idiots....they don't even make any effort to stop us!"    (and in response to onemoretry's notion that NOTHING will stop this from happening again).....Crime (and yes, having your ticket stolen IS A CRIME) is best addressed through prevention, because REACTING after the fact rarely accomplishes anything UNLESS the perpetrators are caught fairly quick......but, going after and catching them IS a deterent at least to a small degree and that is better than nothing.    Does anyone honestly think that if it were indeed KNOWN that Harrahs policy does not make any extra effort to stop or apprehend would-be thieves that Harrahs would see a large increase in these incidents????     Furthermore, while it is true that casinos do see a lot of people simply loitering and hanging around, THAT is indeed the whole point to having all that surveilance and security and guards, etc.    And any security guard who is truly doing his job and is not simply standing there daydreaming, will develop a good sense of who truly is a threat and who is not......will it be 100% foolproof?  of course not, but again, much better than nothing, and combined with a individual's own GOOD SENSE and precautions and taking reasonable responsibility for oneself, prevent MOST thefts from happening.To put it another way, does anyone here honestly think that some scum bag reading this thread right now, after seeing that Harrahs-AC is so lackadaisical in ho wit responds to this issue, is NOT making mental note of this and planning accordingly or cooking up some further scheme to take advantage of this?     Duh.....So yes, we all DEFINITELY should be more careful......but NO, this does not mean that IF we are the victim of a similar event in the future, REGARDLESS of the details or our own degree of personal "responsibility" for what happened, we should fail to report the incident or to seek some type of palliative measure!

[Carcounter]

To all of us who frequent casinos, I think we know to be super aware of our surroundings. As someone previously posted, how often do we see the same people walking past our machines over and over again. Are they exercising?

[notes1]

if one has a business that deals in large amounts of cash and you require your customers to deal in cash, you had better provide an aura of safety and security. if not, many customers will take their business elsewhere. what can casinos do, more security presence, pubicize prosecution of criminals and at least pretend to care about your patron's welfare. i have no doubt that at least part of the reason for AC's business reduction was due to customers not feeling safe. when given the choice to play at their local casino or travel to a place where most would not venture 100 yards out the front door of the boardwalk casinos, they chose safety. why has vegas survived, at least in part it is due to people feeling safe.